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Texas Republicans need Gerrymandering to stay in power

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  1. deb4rockets

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    We need our justice system to stop the gerrymandering more than ever.
    Texas has 3 of the top 12 most gerrymandered districts in the nation, and 2 of the top 5. We are in the top 10 most gerrymandered states, along with NC, LA, MD, PA, WV, KY, LA, UT, AR, and OH. Notice how most of those states are Republican majority run.

    Considering the huge demographic change in Texas in the past 10 years those districts need remapped appropriately. Don't expect our Texas GOP leaders to make this fair. They have the majority, and the majority of the Supreme Court on their side. They will do all they can to keep their treasonous propaganda spreading lying butts in office. I'm so sick of guys like Paxton, Cruz, Crenshaw, and Abbott. I've got one thing to say to them.

    Don't Mess With Texas!

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    https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/most-gerrymandered-states

    https://www.ranker.com/list/most-gerrymandered-districts-in-america/eric-vega
     
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    They'll have 2 more to gerrymander now, too.
     
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    Yep
     
  4. fchowd0311

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    Democrats have a means to make the Republican party as is forever ineffective and have no shot at holding any branch of government. All they have to do is reform the fillibuster, pass HR1 and pass a federal ban on gerrymandering.

    The current form of the GOP would never have a chance to gain majority of any branch federally due to demographic shifts and the GOP pandering to a minority of White Christians who want to hold on to their hegomony. The only way GOP would be able to win a majority from then on would be to drop their nativism.
     
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    Of course they do. But the Democrats can't get the people in their party on the same page so thanks to an old white man in WV they can't get any real reform done.
     
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    Honestly this proposed Texas map isn't close to as bad as it could've been for Democrats. The Republicans just focused on shoring up the seats they have now instead of going nuclear. Combined with Texas gaining fewer new seats thanks to depressing the census turnout and this ends up better for Democrats than it could've been.

    With that said, if Democrats continue to bleed in the RGV, they'll lose TX-15 (Vicente Gonzalez's seat in Hidalgo) and they'll have no hope of retaking TX-23 (Will Hurd's old seat). But there was a lot of worry that Republicans could create solid Republican VRA compliant seats in the RGV. They ended up keeping things largely in place which is really good news for Dems. But Dems have to stop the bleeding in the RGV to hold what they have there.

    Long story short, Republicans just shored up all of their incumbents so all of the potential gains from 2020 are now gone as they've all been drawn into safer seats. But Democrats also get to keep what they have now which honestly is better than expected. When you think of the 2022 elections, Dems just need to preserve as much as they can (while regaining suburban seats in places like California and New York). New York in particular is primed for a big democratic gerrymander (as many as five GOP seats could flip if one of the proposed Dem Gerrymander maps go through)
     
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    I don't understand why the people that get elected are the ones the draw the lines. It's a blatant conflict of interest.
     
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    It's complicated, but SCOTUS said sure, go ahead states.
     
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    This is good stuff. You must be like the 1% of the population that follows Texas politics.

    On a national level, Democratic leaning states like New York and Oregon that have been less gerrymandered are now making a turn to nullify the Republican maps. Played out to the extreme, we'll just see a less democratic, less competitive Congress with 95% incumbents winning, and terrible vote efficiency. Cali really crapped the bed with their non partisan commission. They could totally add 10 Democratic seats if they wanted to.
     
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    Thankfully, the cost is zero dollars.
     
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    The midget pirate has constituents in different time zones.
     
  14. fchowd0311

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    Have you heard of the concept of investing?

    That's the problem with "fiscal conservativism". You guys only account for the upfront cost and not the long term return on investment that occurs when you invest in regular folks in things like making it easier to raise children with affordable healthcare and free early childhood education.

    I can make a case that progressivism is fiscally conservative as the stuff progressives want have a large return on investment in the long run and future health of the nation overall.

    You help rise up more people by investing to go from lower middle class to upper middle class, that can significantly increase tax revenue and that's how it's paid for. But the fruits of these efforts takes years to decades since it's mostly investment in children and children take a long time to become adults and contribute hence why the modern political rhetoric is so toxic because voters vote by literally seeing what GDP growth numbers and unemployment numbers are month to month. That's not how to run a god damn country.

    Treatment of government like a capitalist entity where we only care about quarterly returns and upfront costs and don't give a **** about 10 or 20 years from now isn't sustainable.
     
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    You know if there was to be a cost if the 1%'s pay their share of taxes it would be paid for two fold.
     
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    Just because something is legal, doesn't make it right.

    SCOTUS' job is to interpret the constitution, not apply moral judgements. Eliminating conflicts of interest isn't explicitly laid out in the constitution yet we all know it's fundamentally wrong. The framers knew this too so they codified that sentiment with checks and balances. I believe the constitution explicitly lays out election law as a legislative duty. But the constitution isn't perfect, which is why the framers allowed for amendments to fix things that they didn't anticipate. This is one thing that slipped through the cracks when they wrote the constitution. We all know it's wrong and goes against the spirit of representative government. But we have no legal authority to change it and those that benefit from it can hide behind the law with no recourse. As a country, we need to revisit the spirit of what does representative government look like and demand change. Easier said than done is somehow an understatement.
     
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    THIS!

    I'd also say fiscal conservatism also doesn't account for mitigating long term risks. For example, you don't build storm drains and expect any sort of short term gains. It makes no fiscal sense to build a levee that is 30ft tall ...until 30 years from now, a Cat5 storm hits you and the region racks up exponentially more costs than simply having created (and maintained) a levee 30 years go.

    Texas power grid is a perfect example of why running critical infrastructure as a business doesn't work. It doesn't account for why, sometimes, things need to be over engineered to account for the "edge cases". Because edge cases always happen, eventually.

    You always hear conservatives say you should run government more like business. That is total and utter non-sense. Fundamentally, government is different than business. No government should aim to be profitable and satisfy shareholders. That difference in mindset is essential. The government should aim to create an environment where the citizens are free to pursue Life, Liberty, and Pursuit of Happiness.

    In America, we can be capitalists and still expect our government to spend big money on stuff that doesn't have short term gains.
     
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