D&D Coronavirus thread

Someone going on a PR rant for ivermectin describing themselves as a concerned citizen is a new one.

 

Far out! Then I won't have a problem with getting one.

 

Please send all Ivermectin links and dumps to judge. Also send thoughts and prayers to Registered Nurse and part time vitamin C Kool Aid Girl

Seems we're at a stage where Vaccine Regret has morphed into Dogged Quackery.

 

Houstonians beat up restaurant hostess in NYC over vaccination requirement

Tourists beat up Upper West Side hostess over vaccine proof

https://nypost.com/2021/09/17/nyc-h...ed-by-texas-tourists-over-covid-vax-question/

video at

https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news...for-vaccination-proof-to-dine-inside/2584472/

 

Disgusting. One thing is for sure, this pandemic has shined a whole new light on how many thousands of Americans are selfish, violent, and anything but good people. It's sad. I never expected so many people in our country to react the way they have over people trying to save lives and stop the spread of a deadly virus.

 

Laura Loomer last year
“I hope I get COVID just so I can prove to people I’ve had bouts of food poisoning that are more serious and life threatening than a hyped up virus. Have you ever eaten bad fajitas? That will kill you faster than COVID.”

Laura Loomer today
“Just pray for me please..Can’t even begin to explain how brutal the body aches and nausea that come with COVID are. I am in so much pain.”

 

...well...

...she isn't dead yet...so there's your COVID-19 vaccine nonsense shoved up all our collective liberal @sses!...

 

Let's make her some fajitas she'll never forget.

 

Kind of weird that you'd pick Fajitas to be the thing that would get you sick. Your plate is literally above boiling temps when served. It would be one of the hardest dishes to transfer a virus while serving.

 

It makes me unreasonably upset that young, most likely not high-risk, unvaccinated people are getting Regeneron treatment at a drop of a hat. The treatment is being paid for by the federal government (aka all of us taxpayers) at $2000 a pop.

Since supply is limited, It's supposed to be reserved for people at high risk of covid19 complications and must be prescribed and referred by a physician. Yet Florida has a standing order that physician referral is no longer needed at one of the state run sites. Anyone over age of 12 and over 40kg in weight can just show up and get Regeneron if they believe they have covid or if they have been exposed to covid (no proof of positive test necessary).

Regeneron shouldn't be treated as a vaccine substitute, but yet it is by some peple. Selfishness is being rewarded. Yet if the federal government try to more fairly distribute Regeneron to other states, I bet DeSantis will blow a gasket saying Biden is killing Floridians.

 

there so many deaths caused by bad fajitas.

 

Woh, didn't know FL is doing that. That's very stupid given the supply constraint and medically unethical. There are potential serious side effects with the treatment - you shouldn't leave that decision to just Joe and Jane without any constraints.

 

She's being deservedly called out for breaking her own rules. Not a smart move on her part, even though Ive been mostly pleased with her as mayor.

The great news is that Bay Area rules seem to be working. Vaccines and masks seem to have the delta variant in retreat, with plummeting case and positivity #s, even with our schools and businesses running well (with masks indoors). Our hospitals have good capacity -- great news for the very sick person in my house who made two hospital visits this week. Glad we're not in TX at this particular moment.

If things keep going well here, we're hoping we can ease the mask restrictions.

 

https://earthsky.org/space/james-webb-telescope-hubble-successor-to-launch/

December 18th baby!

 

Ladapo: "The sensible approach, based on the available data, is to promote vaccines for the purpose of preventing serious illness. You don’t need a mandate for this—adults can make their own decisions. But mandates will prolong political conflicts over Covid-19, and they are an increasingly unsustainable strategy designed to achieve an unattainable goal."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/vaccin...mine-antibodies-11631820572?mod=hp_opin_pos_1

Vaccine Mandates Can’t Stop Covid’s Spread
Coercion won’t work because those without symptoms can still pass on infection.
By Joseph A. Ladapo
Sept. 16, 2021 6:48 pm ET

The Covid-19 pandemic has spurred a remarkable stream of scientific investigation, but that knowledge isn’t translating into better public policy. One example is a zealous pursuit of public mask wearing, a measure that has had, at best, a modest effect on viral transmission. Or take lockdowns, shown by research to increase deaths overall but nonetheless still considered an acceptable solution. This intellectual disconnect now extends to Covid-19 vaccine mandates. The policy is promoted as essential for stopping the spread of Covid-19, though the evidence suggests it won’t.

Mandates infringe on personal autonomy, which can lead to political strife and unintended consequences, but they have value in some situations. In general, however, wise policy making respects the intrinsic value of personal autonomy and seeks the least burdensome path to achieve social gains.

The common argument for vaccine mandates is: You have no right to infect me. But cases are partly driven by asymptomatic and presymptomatic spread—people who are unaware that they even are infected. It isn’t practical to punish adults who have no symptoms. This is why other diseases that can be spread by people without symptoms—such as influenza, genital herpes and hepatitis C—are met with policies like voluntary vaccination drives, screening protocols for sexually transmitted diseases, and clean needle exchange programs for intravenous drug users. Doctors and public health officials used to understand that stopping spread is usually not practical.

Here’s another problem: The vaccines reduce but don’t prevent transmission. Protection from infection appears to wane over time, more noticeably after three to four months, based on a large study of more than 300,000 people in the United Kingdom. As clinical studies from the U.S., Israel, and Qatar show—and many Americans can now personally attest—there is substantial evidence that people who are vaccinated can both contract and contribute to the spread of Covid-19.

This trend has been exacerbated by the Delta variant. The data show that vaccine effectiveness for infection protection fell from roughly 91% to 66% after emergence of the Delta variant, according to a recent CDC report. Data from Israel show rates of protection have declined to less than 40% for some patients. The data still show that people who are vaccinated against Covid-19 are less likely to become infected than people who aren’t vaccinated. People who have recovered from Covid-19 appear to have the most protection of all.

But these realities aren’t informing vaccine policy. When New York Gov. Kathy Hochul discussed expanding vaccine mandates to state-regulated facilities, she said: “We have to let people know when they walk into our facilities that the people that are taking care of them” are “safe themselves and will not spread this.” In fact, the data say they can and will spread it.

The good news is that the vaccines continue to afford significant protection against serious illness from Covid-19. The response from many vaccine advocates has been to promote boosters, and the momentum behind third shots is outpacing the limited data available. The reality is that a more practical approach to managing Covid requires a diverse set of strategies, including using outpatient therapies.

Monoclonal antibodies are still used infrequently, despite evidence showing a substantial risk reduction in hospitalization. The reasons are not well understood but many patients and physicians may be unaware they are available.

There is growing evidence that the antidepressant fluvoxamine is effective, based on the results of a recent, large clinical trial currently undergoing peer review that found a 30% reduction in hospitalization risk. A smaller clinical trial of fluvoxamine published in the Journal of the American Medical Association also found a benefit.

Other medications like hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin, on which health officials seem determined to close the book, are, in reality, unsettled. Controlled clinical trials have yielded conflicting results, but many physicians with substantial experience treating patients with Covid-19—including members of the Early COVID Care Experts group—have reported low rates of hospitalization and death when using these therapies. Some of these patient cohorts are large and have been published in peer-reviewed journals, such as one study of 717 outpatients published in Travel Medicine and Infectious Disease.

Vaccine mandates can’t end the spread of the virus as effectiveness declines and new variants emerge. So how can they be a sensible policy? Is it sensible to consign tens of millions of people to an indeterminate number of boosters and the threat of job loss if it isn’t clear more doses will stop the spread, either?

The sensible approach, based on the available data, is to promote vaccines for the purpose of preventing serious illness. You don’t need a mandate for this—adults can make their own decisions. But mandates will prolong political conflicts over Covid-19, and they are an increasingly unsustainable strategy designed to achieve an unattainable goal.

Dr. Ladapo is an associate professor at UCLA’s David Geffen School of Medicine.
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