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Do not trade for Simmons

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by ashleyem, Sep 14, 2021.

  1. steddinotayto

    steddinotayto Contributing Member

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    "If he's willing to be our play making 4"
    "If he's willing to be our Draymond Green"
    "If he's willing to be our small-ball center"

    If he's not willing to do that for a contender in Philly playing alongside one of the best centers in the NBA why the hell do people think he'll do it for a rebuilding team?
     
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    Philly hasn't tried telling him to SHUT UP AND LISTEN. Tildo is our secret weapon.
     
  3. Nook

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    There are actually scenarios where I would trade for Ben Simmons but the reality is that the Sixers would not take what I would be willing to offer. I would even include some assets of value, but they would have to be reasonable.... the Rockets are one of the teams that in the right situation could afford to pay Simmons even with him being a 4th option on offense.... he is an elite defender and passer and a very good rebounder, but he has to be surrounded by scorers and shooters.... Wood and Green in theory are excellent fits next to him.
     
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    While I agree that Simmons is a more valuable asset to some team than John Wall and Morey will get something of value for him, I do not want a super max contract for 4 years for a 4th option on offense. He can’t be in the game near the end, because he can’t shoot free throws. No, to giving up any positive assets for him. Wall straight up, sure, but Philly has no reason to do this.
     
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    Stone should just offer up Porter, Tate, House, Gordon, Martin and 2 picks and call it a day.
     
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    Rookies are arguably better than Simmons cux they dont cost the max. Just a couple of people are saying Wall is better than Simmons that just an outlier opinion.

    These are just like any employee in a company they have their own intrinsic performance but then you weigh them by their salary. In Simmons case you weigh him by max player standards not average player cuz he will cost 30% of the cap.

    He also has attitude issues its not like you are getting a dog like Tucker, Siakam, Dennis Rodman etc you are getting a diva. A diva role player I mean I honestly havent seen that combination before.
     
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    Are you serious? Lol.

    I'd only give Wall, House and Tate, no picks.

    Dude's a roleplayer making superstar monry just imagine if Trevor Ariza or PJ Tucker made the max, take away their 3 pt shooting and you have Ben Simmons. He is better than injured Wall but not by much.
     
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    I have never imagined Ariza at the max.......but I have imagined what if we paid him?
     
  9. roslolian

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    He doesnt wanna play center cuz he is entitled and doesnt really wanna scrap for boards and bang bodies in the paint. Embiid always injured how many times has Simmons played center for Philly?

    Everyone talking about Simmons assuming Morey will give away for just Wall and trash and then assuming Simmons is the 2nd coming of Draymond. Bruh you got no clue of Simmons personality why you think Philly fans soured on him smh.
     
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  10. steddinotayto

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    Slightly serious lol ..maybe 30%
     
  11. Zen Tabak

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    I wouldn't give anyone. Simmons introduces all kinds of fit issues for just about any team is he'd join and at nearly $40 million per would make it much harder to improve the team going forward.

    Not sure why anyone wants him on our team considering his limitations. If you're gonna pay a guy that much he better be able to stay on the floor in the playoffs because we'll be there soon
     
  12. Nook

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    The Rockets will have Green, Sungun, Christopher and Garuba all on rookie deals..... as well as Martin and whoever they get next year in the lottery.... also Tate and Porter and Porter are under contract for two more seasons..... the Rockets are one of the rare teams that in theory will have their best scorers under contract for little money, so they theoretically could spend more on an elite defender, rebounder and passer if they want to.... it would get quite complicated though and have a lot of moving parts.
     
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    Or you can wait 2 yrs and then sign a real max player to play with all those guys you mentioned.

    I get that Simmons is an elite defender, but can you qualify elite rebounder? He is only averaging 7 rebs a game and his true Reb % of 12 isnt really chart topping. KLove for example averaged 22% during his prime and still averaged 16% TR even when he quit on the Cavs.

    Elite passer when you cant score is a joke, you get that right? You dont want the ball in the hands of somebody who cant shoot as the opponent will sag off him and defend somebody else knowing he cant shoot. Or opponent will go Hack a Ben cuz again, dude cant shoot. In an ideal world Simmons will play like Dennis Rodman, he'd play tough nosed defense at PF and scrap for boards and then sometimes he make really nice passes like what Rodman used to make.

    But Simmons isnt that he wants the ball in his hands even if he cant shoot, cant even acknowledge his mistake after he passed on that open dunk. He doesnt wanna be in the paint full time he wants to be a wing or a pg. Like I said he better than injured Wall but not by much.
     
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  14. Nook

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    If the Rockets could free themselves of Wall and his contract, I would definitely give up more than "Wall, House and Tate, no picks" ....... Wall has negative value to the Rockets and will contribute nothing to the Rockets on the court..... Simmons is over paid, but he DOES contribute on the court even with his flaws.... he is one of the 3-4 best and most versatile defenders in the league and he also is an exceptional passer and rebounder.... Simmons can cover up a lot of weaknesses.... he just requires being on a team of shooters and scorers and most teams that have scorers and shooters are paying them a lot of money and cannot afford to take on Simmons.
     
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    Nah Simmons requires a change of attitude, he needs to stop being entitled and start working on his game like what Giannis did instead of going ti Wimbledon with his girl and then showing off all his cars in instagram. He needed to go to Olympics and get his game on instead of skipping out so he can go complain to his agent about his treatment on the Sixers.

    You get what Im saying? The only reason people are giving him slack is cuz he is only 26 but if you think about it he been in the league since he was a teen and is still the same player he was Day 1. Thats 7 yrs of no improvement you can change his emv but without a change in attitude there is no point he will mess it up.

    He might make the team better in the next 2 years but thats fools gold we will just have better regular season record but still fail in the playoffs. When the kids grow up he will be dead weight. Id trade for Wall and not much else.
     
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    100% lol these guys dont even know him at all smh.
     
  17. Zen Tabak

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    2 years of Wall at $40m/yr > 4 years of Simmons at $40m/yr

    There's really no risk to holding on to Wall since we have so many guys on rookie deals. There is definitely a significant potential downside to having Simmons on the roster.
     
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    Who says he's not willing? We know he is not able to do it there because they have Embiid. You can't be the small ball center when the best player on your team is a gigantic center. They don't play small ball there.
     
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    "Who says he's not willing?" Are we talking about the same player, the same player who hasn't been willing to expand his offensive game to help not only himself but also his team?
     
  20. Zen Tabak

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    We can get 80% of what Simmons can do as 4/5 from Garuba for 10% of the cost. Plus Garuba isn't totally broken mentally, can make free throws.

    Even if Simmons were willing, is it still even worth it?
     
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