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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Feb 23, 2020.

  1. Os Trigonum

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    there are new variants that are going to pop up anyways.

    So if we got 100% vaccination in the States, that doesn't stop the variants from mutating.

    You know, that Delta = India , Mu = Columbia

    So yeah, it's just good for decreasing hospitalizations but people can still transmit for sure lots of it happening, but not really reported.
     
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    Why can't you move freely once you are vaccinated?


    Whether or not I get a flu vaccine impacts my health, but how does it impact yours?
     
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    When are we going to pretend that following selective tweets over actual science is valid evidence for a position?
     
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    Take some Ivermectin and Biodine and call me in the morning.
     
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    https://reason.com/2021/09/14/the-dangerous-dream-of-zero-covid-in-australia/


    The Dangerous Dream of Zero COVID in Australia
    by Emilie Dye
    9.14.2021 3:30 PM

    We often hear that "if it saves just one life, it must be worth it," no matter the cost. But COVID lockdowns have a considerable cost—not just to the economy, but to liberty and, yes, to lives. Australians have been learning the hard way that the "zero COVID" strategy is impossible. We must learn to live with acceptable risks.

    The city of Sydney is in week 12 of a harsh lockdown that has seen residents in the worst-affected areas confined to their homes 23 hours a day, with just 60 minutes permitted outside for exercise. When people do venture out, it must be between 5 a.m. and 9 p.m.

    In other parts of Sydney, life is a little easier. People can go out for an early-morning or late-night run, but must stick to a roughly three-mile radius from their home. With the exception of grocery stores, pharmacies, and takeout food and coffee, everything is closed. There have been ripples of protest, but police have promptly shut them down, with organizers facing jail sentences and participants forced to pay millions in fines.

    In Melbourne, the government has closed playgrounds and told residents not to watch the sunset. When protestors gathered, police used pepper spray and rubber bullets to disperse them. A child holding a sign saying "let me play" received a face full of pepper spray.

    Melbourne was once voted among the world's most livable, desirable cities. Now it's best known for being one of the world's most locked-down cities: More than 225 days and counting of police checking if residents have a reasonable excuse to leave their homes. The federal and state governments have begun to admit the "zero COVID" strategy is unachievable and is limping towards some kind of reopening.

    Queensland and Western Australia are both vast states with very low population density. But both have closed their borders to anyone who isn't rich or famous. Rugby and Australian football players can cross the border, but a critically unwell baby, a child separated from his or her parents, or those seeking medical care at the nearest hospital are not so privileged.

    South Australia has developed an app which uses geolocation and facial recognition software to enforce quarantine for certain people—a clear infringement on their privacy. But many Australians are just grateful for an alternative to two weeks of solitary confinement in hotel quarantine.

    Australia can try to say it did everything possible to stop the spread (except better prioritization of vaccines). The country has surrendered freedom of movement, prohibited people from leaving the country, the state, a three-mile radius, or in many cases their homes. It has only recently begun to count the human cost of these strict lockdowns.

    The obsession with lockdowns surely saved some lives from COVID-19, but it also meant that COVID-19 became the only disease it was unacceptable for a life to be lost to. There is a human cost in terms of diseases not treated, medical appointments missed, and symptoms ignored. A "shadow pandemic" of domestic violence has emerged. An average of 40 minors a day in New South Wales are hospitalized due to self-harm and suicide attempts—up 47 percent from 2019. Our suicide hotline has hit multiple all-time records. Many are watching their life savings slowly dwindle. The restaurant where my partner and I had our first date, an establishment which has been a part of the community for 30 years, recently closed its doors forever. These businesses often represent a lifetime of effort lost.

    Apparently, none of those costs matter.

    The neuroscientist Sam Harris summarized the basics of human well-being in his book, The Moral Landscape: "people tend to be happier if they have good friends, basic control over their lives, and enough money to meet their needs." Yet for nearly two years, Australians have been told to stay home in isolation while their relationships fracture and their livelihoods turn to dust. And they've been told that it's for their own good.
     
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    If they aint gonna get it months later, what makes you think they were ever going to get it unless death is knocking at their door? What are they gonna do...double down on Principled Spite and vocal opposition? Well they can't double down on ICU beds cuz there aint any open ones left!

    Besides, the article's suggestions presumes a vacuum of messaging, where "flossing" is not a politicized event. Lo and behold, there may be forces lurking nearby that tell you flossing is bad for the environment and an unnatural invasion of your oral cavities. Those opposing forces may or may not be under the influence of Big Dental... :rolleyes:

    This.
     
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    This shows that infections can still spread when populations have relatively high vaccination rates. I don't know all the details of the Singapore and Israel cases, but I believe they test much more widely and thereby are far more likely to catch asymptomatic cases or cases with very minor symptoms. In any case, it doesn't say whether an unvaccinated individual is more or less likely to contribute to that spread than a vaccinated individual, and the infection rates might very well have been much higher with a with a lower vaccination rate (certainly hospitalizations and deaths would be higher). Even absent conclusive evidence for Delta, the reasonable default position based on what we know pretty definitively about the earlier strain and early evidence for Delta is that an unvaccinated person is more likely to get infected and transmit that infection to others.

    Because being vaccinated doesn't 100% guarantee that you won't get sick or spread infection to others. The probability that a person (even a vaccinated one) will get sick goes up the more infectious virus there is in the air. If COVID hospitalizations in my community remains above a certain threshold or is in danger of spiking, I would be less willing to move freely because I don't want to contribute to that problem (I'm personally less concerned about it impacting my health, but other vaccinated people for various health reasons may feel differently). By increasing vaccination rates, you both decrease infection spread and (more importantly) decrease hospitalizations, thereby allowing everyone to return to normalcy. People who refuse to vaccinate or insist on encouraging vaccine resistance are just screwing the rest of us who want to get back to living our lives.
     
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    Singapore's date is proof that strong mitigation strategy followed by high vaccination rate is the way to go. Despite cases going up 1000% in the last few weeks, they are currentyl have 500 cases/day in a population of 5.7 million, that's 1/6 the rate of new cases in Texas right now. Texas's rate of hospitalization is 3x higher and rate of patient in ICU is 81x higher. There has been only 58 covid deaths in Singapore in this entire pandemic. Texas's death rate is 203 times higher.

    So I'd say they're doing somethign right and covid is well under control despite the increase in case count. Increase in covid cases is not a big deal as long as vaccination rate is high as to not strain the healthcare system.

    https://www.moh.gov.sg/
     
  12. Coach AI

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    The Fox News/conservative media grift would be impressive if it wasn’t so damn poisonous

     
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    Argh.

    You are 5x less likely to be infected and when you are infected, your viral load as compared to unvaccinated is not as spreadable and die off faster.

    You are denying the reality of hospitals in areas with low vaccination rates are being stressed. That's your personal reality deficit narrative.

    Experts have been saying that Covid is likely endemic from the start. Even so, the spread is drastically reduced when more people are vaccinated. It's simple math.

    Finally, you might not care about others, but some of us do. We will eventually get to a point where hospitals will get back to normal once enough people are vaccinated or infected. The price is ~1K death per day now built on top of the 650k death. You might not care about those deaths, but some of us do. Dead parents leaving a bunch of kids behind... I already know of two parents leaving behind 3 kids and 5 kids just in the past month. I wish we mandated vaccination for them (whatever their reason for being unvaccinated, they are good people) and their kids' sake.
     
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    At least 7 conservative radio hosts and anti-mask advocates have died from COVID-19 after bashing the vaccines
     
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    Yahbutt wuttabout the 100s of other con radio hosts who haven't died from Covid??

    Sounds like those 7 were weak and didn't worship TheJesus enuf!

    It's Science people!!
     
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    Moderna is better than Pfizer
    Israel is mainly Pfizer
    Israel’s cases is mainly for younger people because they go out more often
     
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    NBA will not institute vaccine mandate for players in upcoming season

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/09/14/nba-players-vaccine-mandate/

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    The NBA will not require its players to be vaccinated against the coronavirus this season, a person familiar with the situation confirmed Tuesday.

    As reported earlier in the day by ESPN, the players’ union is opposing a vaccine mandate, the person confirmed. Approximately 85 percent of NBA players are already vaccinated, a spokesman for the league reportedly stated Tuesday.

    The NBA came to an agreement last month with the referees’ union that requires all of them to be vaccinated. In addition, there are vaccine mandates for all team, arena and other game-day personnel whose duties require them to be within 15 feet of players, referees and areas used by players or referees.

    In a memo sent to NBA teams this month, the league noted it would adhere to laws enacted by local governments regarding vaccination requirements. It specifically cited recent regulations in New York and San Francisco that would, in effect, bar any unvaccinated players for the Knicks, Nets and Warriors from participating in home games. The NBA also noted in the memo that an unvaccinated player who lacked an approved exemption on medical or religious grounds, and whose status in that regard limited his availability to his team, could be considered in breach of his contractual duties and thus subject to fines, suspensions and/or loss of pay.
    more at the link
     
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