yup It's time for an honest discussion about Biden. The dude is a failure. We need to consider the mess he's created. Hate to say it but Kamala needs to step up. I have no problem supporting a person with a D after their name or R if it means getting rid of mashed potato brains.
Yes, they usually couched it in those terms, but the gist of their entire election campaign on this was 'don't trust the vaccine'. The above was a strawman...it was ALWAYS the doctors driving it and saying when it was ready. But having it ready before the election was bad for their election chances. So, the soundbite was 'don't trust the vaccine'. you can tell this from Pence's response, which pretty clearly highlights the repurcussions: Here is the whole exchange (although Harris brought it up many other times...again, it was a campaign message, discrediting the vaccine if it came out prior to the election). Temember, it was looking like, at that time, that the vaccines might be available before the election. Which would have been disastrous for the Dems campaign. In any case, they can't complain about people's attitudes about the vaccine when they helped create them. They know people only hear soundbites, and the soundbite here is 'don't trust the vaccine'. Which is exactly what they wanted people to hear. So they can't now complain about the house they helped build.
This right here is a problem that too frequently has to be pointed out. You, sir, are presenting and arguing a perspective that has been presented, cheerfully disregarding the actual words from Biden and Harris, and the context in which they were presented. When we heard and read their words at the time, and can easily pull up the full recordings, your rehash of a cherry-picked and convoluted interpretation is groundless.
Politicians are very good at creating an impression they want created, while carefully couching their words for plausible deniability later. They needed to discredit the vaccine in case it came out before the election, which would be disastrous for their campaign. So, they went about discrediting it. Mission accomplished. The soundbite was 'don't trust the vaccine'. The rest of the words were cover.
I don't know a single person motivated enough to go to a protest to defend a Robert E Lee statue and feel comfortable marching along side self labels white nationalists as "good people". Maybe those people are good to other white people but definitely not people like me.
There were other people there.. not just white nationalists. Another misrepresentation from f'edchowder brains. Also holy **** the man isn't president so get over it.
Interesting that you came out of hibernation after dip$hit left office. We missed your keen insight during the dip$hit travesty. You seem like a nice guy, so I guess like basso, you kept quiet until dip$hit was gone, or you were okay with dip$hit's dismal performance. Either way, both of you are back to your usual selves now that a Democrat is in office. Welcome back.
Now THAT is funny! Since I'm about 8 months later since the Democrat took office, will I still get attendance credit? Why didn't someone tell me it was Open Season? Good conspiracy theory though. I've rarely been back here or in the GARM for several years now. Grandkids and just better ways to spend my time. I don't watch much basketball anymore: college or pro.... and I'm nowhere near Houston. Love the way all the brown shirts back here just reduce people to stereotypes. LOL.
Reread my post. There were self labeled white nationalists and people who believe Robert E Lee is so praise worthy they would go to a protest for it and march along side self labeled white nationalists and then there were the people for removing the statue. Those were the three groups. I don't know a good person who found it important enough to have a statue of Robert E Lee erected up to praise to go to a protest to keep it up and march along side self-labeled white nationalists. So no there weren't good people on both sides. No one in the side of keeping up a Robert E Lee statue were "good" with the caveat being good to people who aren't their ethnicity.
It seems that you're reading something into that she never said and is in fact contradicting what she said. She was always very clear that the message was trust the medical professionals, not Trump. Your statement that "it was ALWAYS the doctors driving it" is false. The doctors were NOT driving Trump's intentions to rush out the vaccine before the election, and that's why it ultimately didn't happen.
Is it theoretically possible that someone who is passionate about preserving historical monuments, including a Robert E Lee statue, would attend the rally in support of preserving it, without any racist intentions? I suppose, yes? People can quibble about what it really means to be a "very fine person" and whether that description happens to be fair in a few individual cases. But the real issue was Trump shamefully attempting to draw a moral equivalence between the two sides, when one side was overwhelmingly composed of various white nationalist groups.
Robert E Lee HS in Baytown TX is an example of this. I wouldn't go all Chowd and call the school board members who voted to keep the name bad people.
The people who want to keep confederate monuments who use the "preserve history" excuse are doing it in bad faith. Like obviously history can be taught through books and museums. Statues are meant for honor and praise. This is a common tactic to say platirdudes like "preserving history". It's a form of gaslighting and bad faith rhetoric. They know they can't win public discourse for their cause by outright saying "we want to maintain the white cultural hegemonic hierarchy". At best it shows a lack of empathy towards the black community who sees statures of these things and reminding them if the dominance white supremacy had over them.
I would at the very least consider those people lacking empathy for ethnicities that aren't if their own. Whether you consider that "bad" is up to you.
