Shams - Philly offered Simmons/Thybulle + draft compensation. Did we make the right deal?

I wanted the Nets pick package from Philadelphia and Simmons routed to OKC for our picks returned.

Never wanted Simmons. It's always been fairly obvious that he is not a guy you should be fawning over.

 

Easy to say that now.. wasn't it that we would've taken the deal if they gave us like two more first rounders? (so 4 in total) Also, at that time, couldn't we have flipped Simmons to some other team for more assets like we did with Levert?

 

There needs to be a trade clause in super max contracts stating if you request a trade within 2-3 years your contract is terminated

 

Are there not fines for breaking contracts? Like not showing up to practice and games to force a trade is breaking your contract imo

 

Ben hasn't been able to be utilized in a such a way as to maximize what he brings to the table. Mark my words.. He'll leave Philly and blow up. Somebody is about to steal this guy. Why? Because he'll have the lane..initiating more as a 3-4...off the wing and deeper. You run the offense through him part of the time, and also play him as more of a conventional 4.

 

There are fines but the contracts are heavily slanted towards players and guaranteed. A player misbehaving cannot just have their contract terminated with many steps for recourse by the player. In the end, the team has to maintain an amicable relationship with the player or as in this case you are stuck with a $147M dead weight that will drag your whole team down. You end up hurting yourself as a team because you lower the player's value in trades.

 

If he plays at the 4 I can see him being successful regualr season but he will just disappear in the playoffs.

 

It was easy to then, as well. There was never a single point in time that it ever made any sense to trade for Ben Simmons. Never once.

 

I think everyone by now would know if Morey is dangling you something it is probably damage goods. Unless of course it is a young unproven rookie like Covington and Wood. He'll then try to beat you to them in free agency by offering Ipads.

 

rich paul and lebron james( who is really pulling the strings) are toxic and they are demanding daryl morey to trade both maxey or simmons to the warriors or lakers before the start of the season by any means neccessary or they wont report to training camp ..according to youtuber karceno4life

the nba is in a bad state, this would never fly under david stern

 

BILL Simmons is THE true BS.

Flip flopping b**** too.

 

NBA needs to step on Rich Paul's neck.

HARD.

 

There is an opportunity which I wonder if our front office is monitoring. Klutch Sports wants Simmons and Maxey out of Philly. No doubt they will want to land in some preferred destination other than Houston.

Klutch hate Morey obviously. We can be a convenient friend. Could we convince them - via a guarantee to trade him to his preferred destination ASAP - to demand a trade to Houston or he’s sitting out camp wherever he goes. The condition is that whatever first rounders we send (hear me out) we will only pull the trigger for a better pick later.

Sixers roster obviously needs a scoring PG. Embiid/Harris/Thybulle/Green/Someone is set in stone. Wall is not ideal, not right now Morey hates the offers on the table. Wall would actually be improving their spacing, ironically and they need a fairly efficient 20 points and 8 assists from someone. Embiid is the most attention-drawing teammate Wall will ever have played with aside from Fat Harden. Morey’s options are limited. Is Klutch sports already twisting his arm, forcing him to shift to a long term churning strategy where he RE-trades what he receives in order to land the 2nd star he covets? Wall’s expiring, our two picks and their own picks will be a monster package in 2022 to acquire any available star. He would be in the Lillard sweepstakes if he had that package right now.

John Wall has only two years on his contract and I’m suggesting we attach two first rounders to Wall for Simmons and Maxey. The idea being Simmons and Maxey - in 3-6 months - net us two better first rounders than we sent out. If we can work that out, it’s a great deal for us (means we don’t have to tank for good picks) and it offers Morey a path out of what Klutch sports is forcing him to do.

I love Morey, but wouldn’t mind seeing the student becoming the master.

 

Like your thinking.

If Wall goes to PHI, Morey will demand at least young up and coming PG because Wall is unreliable injury wise.

 

Tell me which of these three packages makes most sense:
Package 1: C.J.McColumn
Package 2: Hield + Bagley
Package 3: E.Gordon/House/D.J. Augustin

1 and 2 are the best ones he has now and things are not getting any better
Our package gives you shooting, perimeter creation and defense by Eric, competent back-up PG… It’s not what you thought you’re getting, but how’s it worse than no-D gunners Hield and McColumn? Who’s your PG if you take Sac or Por deal? Who’s your back-up PG?

 

If Rafael found a way to get Simmons here to pair with KPJ, Green, Theis and Wood while shedding veteran salary, we would have to give him a number so we could hang it in the rafters.

 

Here we f*cking go again with people wanting to max to a player that can NOT shoot in the year of 2021. This is not conducive to winning anymore in the NBA. No matter what you argue or twist it into you can not win with a player like that getting the max. just stop

 

At this point Simmons is probably underrated. He's better than his extremely poor performance in the playoffs indicates. But bottom line is that he wouldn't want to be here even if we somehow traded for him. Getting the best out of him would require us to overcome two challenges: 1) his reluctance to improve or even attempt to improve his range and 2) committing to our team at all.

Simmons hasn't demonstrated the leadership or professionalism to be a building block, IMO. He reminds me of Andrew Bynum in that he has little dedication to the game and is coasting on natural ability. They are great in the right situation, but I wouldn't want to take a chance on players like them especially when we have a talented and impressionable young core to develop.

 

Adam Silver is a terrible commissioner

 

Nah, he's not doing package 3. Packages 1 and 2 are good but knowing Morey, he would rather have Wall's soon-expiring and two picks. That's better than Mccollum or Hield. Sixers must start Tobias, which means they can't start anther bad defender, which means these one-dimensional guys are a dead end in terms of title contention.

They don't need a 2 at all. They are losing both their PG's. They need a great PG, but right now they can get John Wall and 2 first rounders to upgrade in a year when Wall is expiring. That, all in all, is a better deal than what we've heard Morey has on the table. It's basically what he hoped to do with Simmons (keep him and then trade him when his value bounces back up), but that doesn't seem to be an option for them anymore.