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Ben Simmons getting a new zip code?

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by vator, Jul 13, 2021.

  1. ElPigto

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    Thankfully our boy @D-rock had a break through and finally said F Simmons in some other thread.
     
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  2. J.R.

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    https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2947348-new-details-emerge-on-ben-simmons-trade-talks

    Each of Minnesota, Golden State, Sacramento and San Antonio has been consistently linked as a top Simmons destination, yet the overwhelming sense among league insiders continues to be that Simmons, for now, is expected to remain a Sixer once training camp opens on September 28—barring a change of temperature with Damian Lillard in Portland.

    That appears to be the ever-important undercurrent to what has been routinely described as a "James Harden-like" package Philadelphia is seeking for any Simmons return.

    For the Sixers and president Daryl Morey to move Simmons, it will be with an eye toward maximizing Joel Embiid's prime. Therefore trading Simmons now for anything short of a haul that could immediately be flipped for Lillard, in the event he does request a trade, would be a devastating blow for Philadelphia's front office, and their efforts to pair Embiid with a bonafide superstar.

    But that Lillard request may not be coming anytime soon.

    There's certainly a possibility Lillard arrives at training camp, looks around Portland's locker room and determines the Trail Blazers roster has not been upgraded to his satisfaction. Yet there's a stronger belief in league circles that Lillard will at least venture into the regular season under new head coach Chauncey Billups, allowing him to revisit moving elsewhere before the trade deadline.

    Simmons, on the other hand, appears more than interested in playing for a new team. He expects to be traded and has not personally been in close contact with Morey, Embiid or head coach Doc Rivers this offseason, sources told Bleacher Report. Simmons' representation has further canvassed rival front offices, gauging their interest in creating a new home for the 25-year-old All-Star and this year's runner-up in Defensive Player of the Year.

    But it would be difficult for Cleveland, for example, to come up with an offer that can both pair Simmons with another Klutch Sports client in Darius Garland while also satisfying the Sixers' lofty asking price.

    Sacramento has no real avenue to land Simmons without sacrificing De'Aaron Fox. The Kings' star guard has drawn varying evaluations during B/R conversations around the league, but his value certainly appears higher than Simmons' at the moment.

    Dating back to Morey's tenure running Houston, he has traditionally begun trade talks with offers that his counterparts deem outlandish as a means to set an extreme parameter for the ongoing negotiation. This year, several rival executives told Bleacher Report they believe part of Philadelphia's calculus behind those unrealistic offers has also been to assure Simmons' camp that the Sixers are at least attempting to move him.

    Toronto, though, was never going to entertain a framework of acquiring Simmons for OG Anunoby, Fred VanVleet and the No. 4 pick, which Philadelphia pitched the weekend before July's NBA draft.

    And rumors that a three-team swap between Philadelphia, Golden State and Portland was gaining legitimate traction were categorically denied by Warriors and Blazers personnel. Golden State brass are considered to be quite high on the team's recent lottery picks Jonathan Kuminga and Moses Moody.

    Minnesota officials remain motivated in landing Simmons. That would be nothing short of a home run fulfilling the Timberwolves' ongoing search for a starting forward, and Simmons could do so in a playmaking role similar to Draymond Green. But it would be challenging for Minnesota to send back enough talent for Philly to reroute in a hypothetical Lillard pursuit, while still adding Simmons to a rising young Minnesota core.

    That leaves San Antonio as perhaps the most interesting potential trade partner. And there is a faction of the Spurs front office rumored to strongly covet Simmons.

    There's a well-documented history of Gregg Popovich incorporating Australian talent such as Patty Mills, Aron Baynes and others, along with New Zealander Sean Marks, not to mention the connection with former Spurs assistant and Simmons' first head coach, Brett Brown.

    Personnel who spent time with Team USA during the Tokyo Olympics also suggested to B/R that longtime Spurs shooting czar Chip Engelland would relish the opportunity to rework Simmons' mechanics, just as the noted assistant coach ironed out Kawhi Leonard's jump shot and others before him.

    San Antonio was open to discussing Dejounte Murray and Lonnie Walker IV before the draft, sources said, and the Spurs added more enticing future draft capital in their sign-and-trade that delivered DeMar DeRozan to Chicago. Could the starting points of that package be enough to truly intrigue Philly? Portland's eventual interest, as always, would factor heavily into any further discussions, too.

    Again, all these variables likely point to Simmons sticking around Philadelphia for the foreseeable future.

    Despite the awkward dynamic that could follow, Simmons may have no real choice but to join the Sixers in September and play his way to a new destination, regardless of the icy communication that has persisted all summer, dating back to Rivers' and Embiid's post-Game 7 press conferences.

    Whether Simmons is amenable to that of course remains to be seen, but Philadelphia appears prepared for that outcome. Said one veteran front office voice, "Daryl is not afraid to go into training camp with a potentially combustible situation."
     
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  3. J.R.

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    i guess dorrell mauri is prepared to get uncomfortable
     
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    Ben Simmons let it be known that he wants out.

    In a meeting with the 76ers last week in Los Angeles, Simmons told team co-managing partner Josh Harris, president of basketball operations Daryl Morey, general manager Elton Brand and coach Doc Rivers that he no longer wants to remain a Sixer, according to multiple sources.

    Sources said the three-time All-Star also does not intend to report to training camp.

    A team spokesman declined to comment.

    The Sixers are having a tough time finding a team to meet their lofty trade demands.

    The organization does not want to trade Simmons for less than what it believes is fair market value. The four told Simmons they wanted him to report to the start of training camp on Sept. 28 and be a part of the team.

    The source said, however, the Sixers’ inability to get fair market value isn’t Simmons’ fault.

    Another source said there’s no shortage of teams still interested, but the problem is Morey is demanding a king’s ransom.

    Simmons is fully aware the Sixers can fine him for holding out and failing to show up to training camp. But a source said money will not play a role in the decision-making for Simmons, who has four years and $147 million remaining on his deal.

    Plus, fining Simmons could strain the Sixers’ relationship with his super agent, Rich Paul of Klutch Sports. Paul has a who’s who of clients — players the Sixers might be interested in pursuing down the road in free agency.

    When asked specifically whether he thought Simmons would come back at all, a source responded “no,” resolutely.

    The belief around the league is the Sixers have been holding out for six-time All-NBA point guard Damian Lillard to request a trade from the Portland Trail Blazers. But Lillard said, “I’m not leaving [Portland] — not right now at least” on Wednesday during an Instagram Live stream.

    The Sixers’ best consolation could be circling back to the Blazers for a potential deal involving shooting guard CJ McCollum before the start of training camp. That trade would make sense for both teams.

    League sources believe the Sixers will have a tough time getting what they perceive as fair market value under the circumstances.

    “Think about three months ago when the Sixers are willing to give up Ben Simmons. You are like, ‘Let’s see what we have to do to get him,’” said a Western Conference executive, who spoke on the condition of anonymity. “Now, the difference is Ben Simmons says he refuses to play for the Sixers. He wants to go to three California teams. There’s so much bad blood between him and the team.”

    The executive said teams are not willing to give in to the Sixers’ steep asking price knowing they have to move Simmons.

    “The kid said he’s not going back,” the executive said. “I’m not giving you what you’re demanding. They really messed this up.”

    A source believes the devaluing of Simmons began with Rivers’ postgame comments following the Game 7 loss to the Atlanta Hawks in the Eastern Conference semifinals on June 20.

    The day after wavering, Rivers did say that Simmons is salvageable. He said the Sixers would put together the right type of offseason workout plan to help correct Simmons’ shooting deficiencies. But a source said Simmons has not participated in a Sixers offseason workout plan.

    The source believes it will be tough for Simmons to have a working relationship with the team moving forward. At the same time, the team isn’t trying to let their multifaceted player go for little in return.
     
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    as an ex-Morey lover and apologist, I love it. Morey created another sh*t storm.. I hope he screws it up even more, lol
     
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    Brooks, Gordon, Wall, House, 2 future protected picks and a new ping pong table for Morey.
    He's long. You guys wanted long.
     
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  8. NewAge

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    I think the gig is up on Morley. all the adoration he cultivated among blog-boys and nerds with his “science”-y schtick no longer can cover the fact that he is not particularly good at what he does.
     
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  9. YOLO

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    Simmons not being a Morey type player. I mean you've got to be clueless that the low iq ego driven,broke jumpshot guys never fit. It was always inevitable and should have been seen for miles. The sooner they get rid of him the better off they are
     
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    1. Socialite
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    2. Basketball player

    What is he gonna do if he doesn’t get traded to one of the California teams?

    Anyways…
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    LOL
     
    #91 J.R., Aug 31, 2021
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  12. ElPigto

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    Morey was holding onto Maxey and did not want to give him up for Harden. For whatever reason, Morey came in with a cheap ass offer rather than the best offer he could provide the Rockets. I know you guys kept telling me previously that Tilman would not deal with Morey, but Morey is also an idiot for not putting through a damn good offer. If he got rejected, than so be it. I would of given up everything for Harden.

    Now Philly has Simmons that has lost a ton of value, even though they have him locked at 4 years, his agent is flashing his power by having his client sit out and now he is taking Maxey with him. Morey wants to play hard ball and he is going to get served ugly this time lol.
     
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    Seriously, Wall may be their best option at acquiring an allstar level guard to pair with Embiid. We can send Simmons to another team that wants him badly for expirings and picks. It isn't ideal for them but they might be out of other options...

    Something like this:

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    Let’s see Morey weasel his way out of this one. Hahahaha.
     
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    Simmons + Maxey for EGo + Wood works salary-wise. I proposed this long ago.
     
  17. Haymitch

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    That would be the worst trade in NBA history. For the Sixers. I mean, come on man. That would be the. worst. trade. ever.
     
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    There was no need for this dumbassery by Morey. His stupid demands and trying to put himself in the spotlight always catch up to him.
     
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  19. Nook

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    Daryl Morey would have to have a massive brain tumor and be in the midst of a major stroke for that type of trade to happen.
     
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    Looks good to me. The ball is in your court Morey.
     

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