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Will Republicans lead an anti-vax movement?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by durvasa, Dec 2, 2020.

  1. ROXTXIA

    ROXTXIA Contributing Member

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    Wow, Nostradamus.
     
  2. ROXTXIA

    ROXTXIA Contributing Member

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    And yet his base just loves him.

    Stick it to the libs! *cough cough* Can't make me do what I don't want to do! *cough*
     
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  3. TWS1986

    TWS1986 SPX '05, UH' 19

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    I just don't understand it man. How people can be so blind, but that's politics unfortunately. Lot of "smart" people support this man too.
     
  4. ROXTXIA

    ROXTXIA Contributing Member

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    Hell, in FLorida, DeSatanist polls better than BIden. His numbers went up since he went to a more pro-active, let-my-voters-die stance.
     
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  5. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

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    I think most people on the far right are confusing vaccine development with vaccine testing - they are two separate things. Yes, vaccine development in the past has often taken years, but vaccine Testing has typically been just been 6-9 months. This vaccine has gone through the same testing process that other vaccines have gone through.

    Vaccine development includes raising funds, initial research, testing, conclusions and approval process. This vaccine didn't have to wait a few years for funding due to unprecedented budgets being thrown at the medical community for this. The initial research was already done since we've been studying coronavirus and SARS for nearly 20 years now. The testing and conclusions were a little quicker (by maybe a couple months at the most) because they overlapped phases of the trials, but they still fully completed each trial stage. The approval process (which took 9 months) was a little quicker simply because they didn't have to wait in line behind other drugs to be approved (again due to the pandemic). But these vaccines still underwent the same amount of testing as others. They're actually more tested than many of the drugs on the market today. To constantly call them experimental is misleading at best.
     
  10. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"

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    Great points + mRNA technique had been in development for years and (luckily for a lot of us) made HUGE scientific progress in 2019.
     
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    At the same time treatments like Ivermectin haven't had extensive testing for treatment of COVID-19 and nothing is known about the longterm effects of taking Ivermectin as a treatment or a prophylactic for COVID-19.

    This is the ludicrousness of this that people will put more faith into something that has far less documented efficacy or knowledge about side effects and longterm effects than they will the vaccines which went through Phase III trials, have now been taken by 100's of millions of people and have miniscule documented side effects..
     
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    These people don’t trust gov and/or big business. They trust each other as a group and “leader” that rail against gov and big businesses. So facts don’t matter - it’s a trust issue. Facts are lies.

    For ivermectin, there are the human version and the livestock version. Human version is pretty safe if taken as prescribed (I think can be taken monthly). There has been a 9x increase in prescription for this. But not enough for the demand. That is why they are going for the livestock version. That is not safe and very stupid. These people are trying to figure among themselves what’s the right doses and duration - a self group initiated wild experiment. And of course all of this for something that has shown very little to no benefit as a covid treatment in clinical trials.
     
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    This reminds me of how my ant bait works. The scouts take the borax back to the queen then feeds everyone else inside their dirt echo chambers.

    Is this the Facebook work of false flag Furher Fauci??

    If it walks liek a duck, talks liek a duck...
     
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    You mean the gov that approved Ivermectin for other treatments, as well as every other medicine these rubes have ever taken for any ailment ever?
     
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    yes, that gov
     
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    Great post. Unfortunately, it's directed at someone who just can't fathom the simple logic or will just move the goalposts even further.
     
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    I've tried to explain this to someone recently.... It's a losing effort in most cases.
     
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    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/31/opinion/anti-vaccine-movement.html


    Renée DiResta, a researcher at Stanford, found through Twitter analysis that there was “an evolution in messaging.” The movement discovered that a focus on freedom “was more resonant with legislators and would help them actually achieve their political goals,” Ms. DiResta said to me. Anti-vaccine Twitter accounts that had been posting for years about autism and toxins pivoted to Tea Party-esque ideas, leading to the emergence of a new cluster of accounts focused on “vaccine choice” messaging, Ms. DiResta said.

    Anti-vaccine activists used the measles outbreak and others to claim public officials would force “harmful” vaccines on people. They also found new ways to court politicians, especially those who take pride in bucking the system.

    Just a week after the California bill had been filed, a well-meaning Republican legislator in Texas, Jason Villalba, filed a similar bill in Austin. But Mr. Villalba didn’t realize that anti-vaccine sentiment had been growing in his state, and his bill unwittingly “kicked the hornet’s nest,” said Rekha Lakshmanan, the director of advocacy and public policy for a Texas-based nonprofit group, the Immunization Partnership. “All of a sudden we saw a kind of new generation of the anti-vaccine movement in Texas emerge.”​
     
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  19. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

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    AntiVaxxers are dying off - they are killing themselves and their own children.....if we could just limit it to the ignorant that would be fine...but we can't unfortunately they hurt others along the way.

    Darwinism 101......right before your eyes.

    DD
     
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    TX leads the nation in requiring this vaccine in 2011, under Gov Perry.

    https://www.hilltopviewsonline.com/...es-first-state-to-require-meningitis-vaccine/


    December 5, 2011

    All entering or returning college students, under 30, in Texas will be required to have a bacterial meningitis vaccine or booster shot before beginning school in January 2012, according to Texas State Law S.B. No. 1107.

    The immunization must have been received within the last five years and no later than 10 days prior to the first day of classes.

    The act will be known as the Jamie Schanbaum and Nicolis Williams Act, following two high profile cases of bacterial meningitis in college students.

    Mary Jones, nurse practitioner and coordinator of student health services for the St. Edward’s University Health and Counseling Center, said Texas has the most comprehensive law mandating the vaccine. Texas is the first state to require all college students to be vaccinated against meningitis.



    About 1,000 cases of bacterial meningitis occur in the United States annually; ten to fourteen percent of these cases are fatal, according to the CDC.

    “Anywhere from 100 to 120 students contract the disease in a year,” Rowe said.

     
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