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Afghanistan 2021

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Ubiquitin, Jun 25, 2021.

  1. fchowd0311

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    It's so obvious you couldn't give two ***** about our servicemen and women and are using this to troll your shitty political takes.
     
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    You’re being disingenuous and you know it. The tweets trumpeting the lack of casualties were motivated by partisanship. It wasn’t just some random celebratory tweet. It was a tweet designed to bolster the administration.

    The old pat yourself on the back tweets look pretty stupid in hindsight

    Nobody is celebrating American casualties.
     
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    Some of these accounts never post in the Rockets forums
    @J.R.
     
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    ur ignorant

    HK is comprised of HK Island and the Kowloon pennisula which borders China; there are lots of traffics between the PRC and HK

    Singapore is not an island, it borders Indonesia, which has a high COVID inflection rate
     
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    This is true, BUT that was a GIGANTIC blunder, that led to everything else. Similar to the one blunder they made on the Titanic was not spotting the iceberg sooner.

    and yes, we should have. Or at least had a phased withdrawal that included testing their capability/will/etc so that if we needed to plan around complete disbandment, we could have.
     
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    I haven't seen any, but would have to think they are quite large. Several times that of our military casualties...so...dozens?

    Keep in mind that the report is that ISIS attacked and gunned down people after the bomb blast. Had to be ...hundreds? of civilians there?
     
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    Sorry, I incorrectly assumed you were talking about the terrorist attacks.

    We are in a mad scramble to evacuate people because not only the US but the Afghan gov, their people, our allies didn't expect the Afghan military would just melt away and their gov fall within weeks. The fact that we are in a mad scramble, even when our military knew of ISIS-K targetting them over the past days, is the very opposite of abandonment. It's not comparable to the abandonment of the Kurds.

    The failure of the Biden admin isn't for abandoning anyone but for their military withdrawal without plan B for the case where the Afghan gov collapse within weeks. They absolutely deserve criticism for that part.
     
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    There should have been better planning and we should have been moving civilians out much, much earlier. That I agree with.

    Getting all the civilians out of Afghanistan much sooner probably would not be as simple as you're making it out to be. Many would have been left behind who weren't compelled to leave until they knew the Taliban would be taking full control. And that was only evident after the US military vacated. The Afghan government we were allied with would have been against us evacuating Afghans in mass numbers, basically signaling that we have no confidence that they'd be able to withstand a complete Taliban takeover. I don't think there's anyway to avoid a tragedy given the realities on the ground over there.
     
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    But it was a phased withdrawal . phased from 14k to 2.5k.
    I thought I heard few military officers saying reducing the troop further is extremely risky. At that point it should be swift withdrawal
     
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    Biden loves to flash that smile even on the saddest of days.
     
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    I saw that it's at least in 60s, but it always seems like civilian casualties with these sort of attacks are vastly undercounted at first. I expect it to be in the hundreds, ultimately. Very sad. Between Taliban and ISIS, the Afghani people are completely ****ed.
     
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    When terrorists flew places into the Twin Towers and the pentagon, Americans united behind President Bush. When a terrorist group killed American soldiers in Afghanistan, retrumplicans ignored past support of trump's plans to leave Afghanistan and jumped on partisan calls for Biden to resign...
     
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    Yes, it was. Either it wasn't phased enough, or they didn't pay attention to the lessons they learned. I'm thinking more the latter. Bagram was overrun like..immediately, was it not? That didn't seem to change their plans at all.

    It is true that they probably didn't have enough troops to do more than that. Well, bring in more troops, then. Certainly better than leaving Americans behind enemy lines, much less all of our allies there.
     
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    You're wasting your time.

    This is NeRF. The one who spends every day of his life posting tweets in support of progressive anything in this forum regardless of what's happening. A true kool-aid drinker.
     
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    Did you watch the press conference? President Biden fought back tears, and his voice broke throughout.
     
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    The fact that you even believe I am a "progressive" shows how little you actually know...
     
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    Trump...you back at that guy?? The mean tweeting president? Who is NO longer in office?

    Look I understand this war spanned 4 administrations and 20+ years. Why did the Taliban pick this moment to overthrow the Afghani govt? Why? Even when Trump was at his weakest during the height of impeachment hoax and the onset of COVID 19 pandemic...why did the Taliban "stay put?"

    Did the esteemed "intelligence agencies" fail to advise the president regarding this rapidly evolving situation. Stop making excuses for this inept administration - Biden willfully ignored his staff. These "decisions" directly led to the collapse of a govt and now a massive humanitarian crisis - playing out on a global stage. Today, it led to needless deaths. We will continue to see this recur. The region has suddenly become very unstable, and the world saw our leader undercut our nation.

    And to answer your question about a grand master plan - refer to what Trader said.

    Anyways back to my hibernation.
     

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