Trump’s deal ( in 2020) with the Taliban, W No Afghanistani Representation

Are you implying the Taliban are not Afghan?

It was not our country to surrender. We were an invading occupying force.

 

Yeah, I'd rather fix what I broke, but after twenty years, I feel scammed by carnies and would rather pay for cute little starving kids in third world Alabama or even a feel good tax break for Elon's rocketship factories.

This is all political football that got us in this quagmire in the first place. Do not want

 

I guess I would say Trump's deal was not the sort of hard bargaining he wanted to be known for. He was always criticizing Obama for conceding too much to counterparties, with NATO, with Iran, with every deal. And then he signs a deal where we don't get anything. It might be that the political reality really didn't allow for anything more than that. Mostly, just want to point out what a blowhard Trump is for pretending like he's a genius negotiator.

 

No wonder Trump released that statement about Biden surrendering Afghanistan to terrorists.

 

This is comical. Listen, I am not saying Trump is a good person or he is a great negotiator, but what exactly do you think he should have gotten out of the 'deal'?

Imagine an occupying force taking over the US because right wing extremist infect the country. Said force uses and abuses the US population and sets up a puppet government, with greedy local politicians who agree to hold power in the name of their country for lots of wealth and prestige. And then the rest of the US gets sick of the occupying force because they haven't accomplished anything in 20 years. I don't think you will sit idle by and negotiate some ridiculous one sided deal.

Lets be honest. Most Afgans want us out. They are tired of the civil war between the Taliban and the US's puppet Afgan army.

 

Well I was sold the best and most beautiful deal for my time and money but ended up getting a cold rushed handjob.

 

Biden also sucks, terrible execcution, but wow...trump really bringing in taliban to camp david on f'n 9/11...F all of these dudes. Suits who just put our boys and servicemembers in bad positions take the credit and blame when it doesn't work.

 

It's the Taliban's country apparently

 

Most Taliban are from Pakistan.

 

I honestly don't care - just bring our people home.

DD

 

One, I already anticipated your objection by conceding that it might have been the best deal possible under the circumstances. But two, the constraints of reality never stopped Trump from criticizing Obama's deal with Iran (he never got a better deal himself, btw) or any other armchair quarterbacking he'd do on a daily basis. So I'm not receptive to arguments that I have to recognize the conditions Trump was negotiating in. What's good for the goose and all that. **** that guy. He can take pot shots from the peanut gallery, but when he's on stage that's not fair?

 

Oh did I miss a memo where Trump was the person in charge when we changed the date on the agreement and set off a **** storm? You're a tool of the CPP and a rabid anti-Trumper. No one takes you seriously you propagandistic turd monger.

 

Where I credit Trump, and again, its not often Trump deserves credit, was setting the path to get us out in the first place. He did it in a piss poor way but the results were the same. On the same token, I don't believe Biden deserves the grief he is getting currently outside of being yet another politician.

Biden wasn't going to get up in front of the country and acknowledge we have been serving an Afgan puppet government for 2 decades and we were pretty much handing the country directly over to the Taliban immediately. Sure, he bullshitted his way through the withdrawal just like Obama bullshitted his two terms in Afghanistan. Biden by far the better of the 4 presidents by following through. If Biden didnt lie to the public, we would likely still be in Afganistan with the Taliban specifically targeting American soldiers.

 

Yes. The execution. The war, which biden championed along with so many aggressions including to iraq for years, was an embarassment and aimless from the start feueld and taken advantage of americans who rightfully were outraged from 9/11...of which most of the guys were from Saudi who our last 3 presidents didnt stand up to and forgot about their whol we stand for democracy and peoples rights.

Then the negotiation with taliban on trump...what an absolutel obvious **** show dealing with them

Then Biden, to do it this late to the deadline, to not have mroe plans, clout, leave leverage

At every Single Level...our representatives did not represetn us well
yet most of them are still influential, why?

People have talked about the **** show reality show our pliticis has become, more blinding than sports fans blindly running for their team, far more consequential.

 

So you think things would have been better if they stuck to Trump's goal of getting out by May? If so, how so?

 

You are losing your mind, dude. Right off the charts.