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The state of the republican party

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Feb 21, 2021.

  1. StupidMoniker

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    Again, I don't and won't be "using the N word". I am still responding because other people are still responding to me.
    I've probably talked a lot more about the election and events stemming from the claim that the election was stolen than I have about this oddly focused on city council meeting, but please educate me on ho much I care about each issue.
     
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    Maybe, maybe no.
     
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    on the same week that Pelosi called out House GOP leader as a moron, attributable to his stupid comment on the CDC,
    one of his top Lieutenents, Elise Stefanik of NY, publicized that she is not that bright either.

    Twitter users mocked the New York congresswoman for praising Medicare and Medicaid without realizing they’re forms of socialism.​

     
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    My best friend is a firefighter and always parrots Republican “zomg socialism” talking points. The day he learns…
     
  9. DonatelloLimestone

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    https://www.donaldjtrump.com/news/news-ckpatytkdq0
    So far now, hes campaigned against conservatives in Wyoming, but more importantly peopel forget in Alaska he said he'd even endorse a bad or non conservative candidate to get out Mukowski soley bc she dissented from him.

    And more so, the party of 'non centralized control' openly supports him blantantly being trump first and demanding loyalty just like North Korea or China, the irony of it all.

    https://www.mediaite.com/trump/trum...-note-shows-he-was-protecting-vote-from-them/

    Lol hes on a phone call saying find votes, then this one from someone he also appointed saying "just say its corrupt and ill handle the rest"
    But no, don't worry, say witch hunt and people will buy it

    His supporters have given him 75 million, unchecked in 2021. None of that has reached the audits that they hired a first time silly company just like who got the hundreds of millions of border contract too.

    its as dumb as the 90 million people gave to BLM organization, unchecked.

    Or buying Hunter Biden's art if you're an enthusiast or a collector.

    Or beleving saudi donating 100 million for women's rights is a bit curious

    Man, you can't cure stupid. but don't worry, of course hes rich because he must've prayed a lot
     
  10. DonatelloLimestone

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    What do you do when you agree with both of them, neither of them see the irony on it.

    Nepotism is bad, when its a crack addict who shamelessly profits at every turn of his career be it as a lobbyist or now as a million dollar selling first time artist

    Or when its a son in law whose getting bailed out by qatar after a list of bad investments

    or a daughter who apparently inerjects herself into running for president of world bank, g20 summit just by asking daddy and her qualification in teh private world are literally working for dad, or using his CHINA manufaccturing and brand liscensing for a lifestyle brand where she recieved patents after years of waiting...right after a meeting in mar-a-lago. how about that?

    Yet one side can only point to the other, the winners...these politicians laughing with the bag of money at both sides while they divide and conquer like the WWE. its all for a **** show of power, but people eat it up

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  11. vlaurelio

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    these 2 were officially members of the cabinet of the POTUS correct? so the OFFICIALLY do have CLOUT and INFLUENCE

    1) son in law whose getting bailed out by qatar after a list of bad investments

    2) a daughter who apparently inerjects herself into running for president of world bank, g20 summit just by asking daddy and her qualification in teh private world are literally working for dad, or using his CHINA manufaccturing and brand liscensing for a lifestyle brand where she recieved patents after years of waiting...right after a meeting in mar-a-lago
     
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    Cawthorne tried to bring a gun on a planet. How ****ing stupid do you have to be
     
  13. DonatelloLimestone

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    Well they officially were just advisors, some vague role, and then they were handed power to over see half the coutnry. Even so much that ared had meetings where the secretary of state didn't know about.

    Coincidentally, Hunter does that too. You don't have to be official to do tat. And in America we have a lot of our rules not just to avoid corruption, but that avoid the perception of such or anything that compromises integrity and faith in our instituions. WE don't have to be so tribal about it.

    What Ivanka and jared did was embarassing for our country, and also if they were doing what hunter biden did it would also be an embarassment. Somehow people cheer on this guy as if any would would buy a book from himyears ago or buy his art work. And if you think you think 50k-500k isn't enough to sway people, go see how much dipplomat positions cost, etc.

    Like i said, the sad thing is one side jujst points to the other, they both are running in the rackett...in different ways, but both still to the point where the only loser is the american people defending a person in power helping themselves to some benefits, never ok, never should be ok be it trump, biden, or tony the tiger.
     
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    how? what power did he have? what policy has he shaped for the POTUS or VPOTUS?
     
  15. DonatelloLimestone

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    So thats the reason there are very few politicians in jail. Thinking of Governor of illinois, ag of texas, MAyor Pugh in Baltimore...they can claim is a which hunt more so its very hard to prove quid pro pro n court, you need actual leaked audio or something like the the governor of illinois to actually indict someone

    so what does it lead to, you can sell acesss. You want to get a word to biden right now? or even trump years ago. Make a nice little donation, stay at trumps hotel, and you get an ear and you get a meeting.

    Have you seen how bills and amendments work? Including bidens tpp, war contracts, private prisons back from the 90s? even laws against the industries, just like in the financial crisis of 08(a countrys billions and stability and wealth of peopel gambled away by the financial sector, hardly any jailings, some even stayed in power...go figure) not only that they had ill timed regulation like the dodd frank act and no real protections to continue the gambling they are doing nowwith their purchase power...they can take the slap on the wrists and basically work ver batim to write in amendments so that the public is happy and they still get their piece.

    Same way oil and gas companies with spills hve to give up a number that sounds bad but to them its often like a month or two of profits for damage to the country or populace that is enormous. This goes on in democrat and repbulican administration

    You don't see the irony of the guy asking for compassion for his drug addict son while he also kicks out any white house people who've earned their way for using mar1juana anytime in their lives? Something his VP or President has joked about? something hes put billions of DEA money, of private prison money, continuging to go and ruin lives for the very same thing/

    I don't think any of these gus are the evil caricatures that the polarized media has said. I think its simple economics. And you could see that in their policies and wonder why they aren't the benefit of american people.

    These kind of things, including selling access, meetings, or just exposure are valuable. They are absurd when ivanka or jared does it, or the trumps do it to their hotel, they are absurd when any other people in power do them.

    If you think hunter is some bystander just dealing with republican talking points, it is what it is, the partisan nature of politics of both them pointing fingers, the DNC leaks were the russians talking points, or lol the trump russia situation was just a dem talking point. people just eat that stuff up and don't think is this appropriate. The most powerful seat in the country has a precedent, you enjyo the power and privegle of so many resources, maybe just maybe its takes sacrifice. Or maybe Biden can sell his art AFTER they leave for office which still allows for promises, but its just a common sense precedent.

    The irony is the dems are calling for just more sensible gun laws. whats wrong with an id and a check. Republicans want mroe id laws for votes, these are just protections, but if you go talk about spending limits and campapgin finance laws...theres very few that will take that lip service into action. Even obama had a public funding agreement with McCain..when it was to his benefit to set that precedent...that converstaion went away.
    Almost like they will all enjoy gerrymandering or whatever else if it puts them in power.
     
  16. vlaurelio

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    so you want the POTUS to kickout his son out of the white house? or out of his house? or disown him? or have him put in jail? or change his son's last name? what?
     
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    I agree Hunter Biden is an awful human being who has capitalized on his family name for gain. Nothing though you posted here is any direct or even circumstantial proof that he is playing any official or non official role in the Biden Admin.

    All you’re saying is that there is a lot of corruption on politics, which yes we’re can agree in but that doesn’t provide any specifics of your accusation. It would be like me saying that Framber Valdez is throwing doctored pitches. For proof I cite how pitchers through the history of baseball have been throwing spitballs, scuff balls and etc.. none of that automatically means that Framber is doing that.
     
  18. rocketsjudoka

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    Joe Biden saying he loves his son isn’t proof that Hunter Biden is playing some sort of role in the Admin.

    I do strongly feel that their relationship should be scrutinized and personally I would like to see more safeguards and separations put up between Presidents and their relatives . Nothing that I’ve seen points anywhere near the role that Ivanka and Jared played in the last administration or even how official policy benefited Donald Trump Jr.
     
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    Ok, we can do that. What circumstancial direct proof do you have of the trump family? IVankas and jared's dealins can also not be proved or they'd be indicted. theyll just say correlation does not equal causation. Unless we get recordings of their personal phones like bidens, then its just frowned upon and it keeps on passing forward.

    Theres a reason we have almost open bribery in terms of lobbying and earmarks, gerry mandering so on which don't serve the peoples purpose. but decade goes by and despite everyone partaking and a laughable ambassador for pay program all across the board, hardly anyone goes down for it. Its an odd rackett, but as long as we keep that direct then thats why it just becomes a partisan matter

    Its like the Justice Kavannah thing and bidens accusations, both were sketchy and uncomfortable maybe frowned up behavior, none of them had anything that would hold up the court of law. but when one side was tehre they screamed believe the woman, but not when it appled elsewhere..both sides did this

    So yea itll keep going, but how baout we just set exemplary standards that take away even the appearance of corruption to the point it compromises public faith in the integrity of our institutions...hopefully that can keep all the damn kids or family members trying to grift out of it. ITs like hilary's commodities trading, for anyone who actually trades at htat level let alone in the 90s you don't just open up a one time account, trade cattle, make a small killing, then shut down and say I got lucky when the head of tyson was giving you advice down in arkansas...but you can't prove it, so don't worry. Kelly Loeffner, pelosi, senator burr....all some damn sketchy trades on things they had inside knowledge off...an apology or too, but it was just 'frowned upon' and nothing proven so it kept on rolling . Like I Said, the winners are just personal power and sustaining it, losers are american people
     
  20. DonatelloLimestone

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    No, why the hyperbole?

    Thats what trump does. He says what do they expect me to do just put my hands up nad do nothing just a hoax?

    no, its not that difficult. We have ethics rules, things trump ignored, we should've called it out more and emphasized it, do the same with biden. Theres always stipulations you can't profit, benefit, or influence. IF you're introducing people to the president or vp even or passing a direct massage, do you know how much that would cost to the highest bidder to even just get an ear with the president? Peopel in america pay hundreds of thousands for that in donations.

    just lke there are regulations you can't join an industry you were governing etc or have direct familial relations, nepotism, so on, this is not htat diffect let alone the absurdity of hunter biden dciding he wants to be an artist all while his father is president of the us and then not waiting and even having the white house involved. At first htey said he won't meet them, I geuss you acn believe that just like trump said his sons are rnning the company and he won't even discuss matters...low and behold he somehow was able to get them to change teh fbi plans to lease out their dc building as a hotel across trump tower...but don't worry, you can't find absolute direct proof of this so its just another conspiracy too?

    So yea, avoid sales especailly as sketchy as this. A book no one would buy or read if he had put out any other time. Hes shamelessly profiting off it, simple as that and being blantant and it isn't a right s tandard for americans, politicians, trumps, clintons, whoever really.

    If somehow you found out Don Jr was doing an art show last year and sold painting for his first time ver at 500k, you may thikn wtf. and with their china hotel deals, their inauguration and shady fundraising, theres a lot to look at. hard to prove though.

    I'd rather just set a precedent for all of it.

    That goes for Kelly Loeffer, Richard Burr, Pelosi so on who have family who trade with their inside info and have surpassed results of some top investors...but yea, what are we supposed to do stop their family from investing....yes.

    If you have the privelge and power and trust of the american peoples' resource, you should be held to the highest standards of transparency, access. IF you don't want that and are looking to make your dough, go private. You get to travel private, have housing and cushy lifestyle let alone access to power and knowledge, if you need more then simple. Find another route, if you're family is going to conflict you're dealings, find another route. we aren't begging anyone to take this job, let alone a guy whose executive decisions were on the wrong side of history with the TPP, private prisons and law enforcement militarization, Wars, almost everyone he liked, teh drug war, so on. ITs fine to question it andbefore you guys say what about trump, hes an idiot too....go figure, they both can be bad
     

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