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2021 Trade Targets?

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  1. Joe Joe

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    Rotation has arguably been the best in baseball since Valdez and Odorizzi returned.

    Edit: Though I wouldn't be opposed to adding another elite arm.
     
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    Jake needs to mentally accept that he's a tandem starter if he wants to be a playoff contributor on this team. His numbers fall off precipitously 3rd time through the order. Hopefully the quartet of Christian, Jake, Jose, and Luis can supplement Framber, Lance, and Zack as tandem options in any potential best of 7 series. Unfortunately, all those guys are liable to run up huge pitch counts if they run into control issues. Managing that in a series is a big concern, especially with Dusty at the helm.
     
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    Greinke has pitched the most innings, but Garcia, Valdez, and LMJ have looked the best when they've pitched even with Valdez having a few bad starts recently. I would guess Greinke is still a starter in the postseason based on being a veteran, and being the least likely to be effective in the pen. If the Astros add an ace, that puts Greinke in a weird position.
     
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    If Scherzer really has nixed the idea of any deal to Houston then Berrios and Morton are really the only 2 starting pitchers I would be interested in for Houston (assuming Marquez isn’t available).

    I could see some appeal to Alex Cobb or Matt Boyd or Mike Minor but to me they don’t really fit in Houston as they just don’t seem like true upgrades. Michael Pineda is a gamble but has some upside.

    Houston’s bullpen is full (assuming everybody gets/stays healthy). They have 4 guys who can close or pitch in high leverage (Pressly, Graveman, Yimi Garcia, Baez). They have 2 guys who can be very effective in multi-inning roles (Javier and Urquidy). Stanek and Montero are high upside guys who have been inconsistent, but both have experience in high leverage. Then there’s Raley, a lefty whose underlying numbers project him to be much more effective than he has been.

    Josh James will have to be DFA once he’s healthy.

    Based on the rumors, the Twins might be willing to accept a package of Cristian Javier, Bryan Abreu, and Hunter Brown for Berrios. That’s a ton to give up.
     
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    Everybody is a tandem starter in the playoffs these days. Unless the starter is absolutely dealing, they don't go far past the 5th so pitch count is rarely an issue.

    The ideal scenario is we get use the bullpen normally in one game, and tandemize the other 3.
     
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    At this point, if there isn't an opportunity for an absolute stud like Scherzer or Kimbrel, I rather stand pat.

    Edit: I would take Morton if it didn't cost a lot just because it's Charlie F'ing Morton
     
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    No Luis Castillo? His high 90s velocity is back and he's back to mowing people down. Cincy has so far turned away NYY's offers.
     
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    John McClain needs to do the city a solid and report that there is no way Scherzer is coming to Houston. That way the Astros can get a head start on getting his jersey ready. Come on Pancakes make it so.
     
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    Morton would be a rental, so the prospect cost should not be that high.
     
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    The problem is that he would definitely bring us over the tax line unless Atlanta would be willing to eat some of his remaining salary.
     
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    Astros name has been quiet in the trade speculation with mad max.
     
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    I assume he is not available, as Cincy has added to their bullpen this week.
     
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    Joey Gallo, Adam Frazier, Starling Marte and Eduardo Escobar are off the board. But as the clock ticks down to the trade deadline Friday at 4 p.m. ET, so much more is still in play.

    Here are some of the teams, players and executives to watch in what is almost certain to be a frenzied finale to baseball’s trading season:

    Max Scherzer

    Some of the interested clubs expected a deal to be in place Wednesday night, giving the parties time to negotiate through Scherzer’s no-trade protection; he will be compensated in some form for giving up his right to veto any deal. But Nationals general manager Mike Rizzo might have been preoccupied with the outbreak of COVID-19 among four Nats players and eight staffers, leading to the postponement of the team’s game against the Phillies.

    Interested clubs also note that Rizzo is setting a high price, but as one executive said, “Anyone who thinks the seller is being realistic has probably already acquired the player.” In any case, this is not a deal that can be consummated at 3:50 ET on Friday, not with the complexities involved.

    The Cubs

    So far they’ve traded only outfielder Joc Pederson and reliever Andrew Chafin. Closer Craig Kimbrel, infielder/outfielder Kris Bryant, shortstop Javier Báez, first baseman Anthony Rizzo, right-hander Zach Davies and reliever Ryan Tepera all have expiring contracts, and all remain candidates to be moved.

    The market is flooded with relievers and position players, increasing the challenge for Cubs president of baseball operations Jed Hoyer. Kimbrel seems almost certain to go, but the Astros and A’s, once viewed as his principal suitors, might already have made their biggest moves. Red Sox closer Matt Barnes has said he is open to Kimbrel returning. The Red Sox also could be on Rizzo. Is it possible Hoyer could attempt to pressure Rizzo into an extension, knowing how badly he wants to stay in Chicago?

    The Yankees

    They’re not done, not when they’re only 2 1/2 games back in the AL wild-card race, with playoff odds of 43.3 percent. The Rangers reportedly will pay Gallo and pitcher Joely Rodríguez’s remaining salary of about $2.2 million, enabling the Yankees to make additional moves while still fulfilling their apparent goal of remaining under the luxury-tax threshold.

    The addition of Rockies shortstop Trevor Story would enable the Yankees to move Gleyber Torres to second and DJ Lemahieu, but bullpen help figures to be a priority as well.

    Padres GM A.J. Preller

    After acquiring Frazier, he didn’t get Gallo, a player thought to be his white whale. But his biggest need remains starting pitching (or did you miss that lefty Blake Snell gave up seven runs against the A’s on Wednesday, increasing his ERA to 5.44?)

    The Padres are in on Scherzer, the Twins’ José Berríos, the Rockies’ Jon Gray and others. As always under Preller, they are capable of anything. Oh, and they are looking at an uncomfortable situation if Preller fails to move first baseman Eric Hosmer, which rival executives say is one of his goals. How comfortable would Hosmer be remaining with a team that no longer seems to want him?

    The Dodgers and Giants

    Only one of the three NL West contenders can land Scherzer, assuming the Nationals satisfy his preference to be traded to that division. The Giants, given the depth of their rotation, seemingly will be in a greater position of strength if they lose out; they could turn to Bryant to boost them offensively and defensively, or other options. The Dodgers’ need for starting pitching, however, is unequivocal. Clayton Kershaw remains on the injured list and Trevor Bauer on administrative leave.

    Winning the division and avoiding the wild-card game is paramount for every contender in a tight race. The Giants currently hold a two-game lead over the Dodgers and a 5 1/2-game lead over the Padres. Most in the sport have assumed both NL wild cards would come from the west, but the Padres’ 10-12 record in July has created an opening for the Reds, who are now only five games back.

    Mariners GM Jerry Dipoto

    Mariners players were livid when Dipoto traded Graveman, their best reliever, one day after their best victory of the season, a comeback from a 7-0 deficit to defeat the Astros, 11-8. That triumph moved the team to within one game in the American League wild-card race; they currently are two back, and their playoff odds are only 3.9 percent. But now Dipoto must back up what he said in the middle of the uproar — that once his work at the deadline was complete, players and fans would better understand his plan to compete in both the present and future.

    Since then, Dipoto has acquired left-hander Tyler Anderson from the Pirates and signed righty Asher Wojciechowski to a minor-league deal. He has plenty of work ahead to restore the confidence of his players, if it is even possible. Another starting pitcher, an infielder under multi-year control and additional bullpen help all could be on his shopping list.

    Mets owner Steve Cohen

    The Mets already have added left-hander Rich Hill, and the next question is whether Cohen, the sport’s newest and wealthiest owner, will push for a splashier addition with shortstop Francisco Lindor expected to remain on the injured list until mid to late August.

    Bryant? Báez? Trevor Story? Any of the three potential free agents would potentially fit; Bryant could play a variety of positions, and Báez or Story could move to second base after Lindor returned. Such a plan would not be without risk, however; Báez has played second in the majors, but not since 2018; Story has been exclusively a shortstop.

    Right-hander Carlos Carrasco makes his 2021 debut on Friday, but starting pitching remains a focus.

    The Twins

    Potentially could be quite busy. The Twins, after sending Nelson Cruz to the Rays, can pawn off their remaining potential free agents (Colomé, Robles, right-hander Michael Pineda shortstop Andrelton Simmons), but their most intriguing trade candidates are those under longer control.

    Berríos, under club control through next season, seems increasingly likely to be traded. Center fielder Byron Buxton (also under control through 2022), right-hander Kenta Maeda (through ‘23) and right fielder Max Kepler (through ‘24) also are possibilities.

    Red Sox chief baseball officer Chaim Bloom

    The Red Sox are in a fairly secure position, with a 95.7 percent chance of making the playoffs and 68.3 percent chance of winning the division. But Bloom could make any number of moves to fortify them for the postseason. This will be his first test as a buyer since assuming his role after the 2019 season; his biggest move so far was the trade of outfielder Mookie Betts.

    A Kimbrel/Rizzo package from the Cubs would be a jaw-dropper, but Bloom might not be willing to pay the price in prospects when he is mindful of keeping the franchise strong both short- and long-term. Remember: Left-hander Chris Sale is expected to return from Tommy John surgery in August.

    The Rangers

    They will not stop with Gallo as they accelerate their rebuilding plan. Right-hander Kyle Gibson, who is under contract next season for $7 million, is almost certain to be moved, along with Kennedy, who is a potential free agent.

    Relievers

    A number already have been traded (Chafin to the A’s, Clay Holmes to the Yankees, Mychal Givens to the Reds; Kendall Graveman and Yimi García to the Astros). One of the best available, Twins lefty Taylor Rogers, went on the injured list Tuesday with a left middle finger sprain that effectively took him off the market. But given the supply — and the demand — one exec joked that approximately 43 bullpen arms might be moved in the final hours.

    Among those being discussed, non-Kimbrel division (this is by no means a complete list): The Rangers’ Ian Kennedy; the Marlins’ Richard Bleier; the Diamondbacks’ Joakim Soria; the Rockies’ Daniel Bard; the Twins’ Alex Colomé and Hansel Robles; the Pirates’ Richard Rodríguez, Chris Stratton and David Bednar; the Orioles’ Paul Fry and Tanner Scott; the Nationals’ Brad Hand and Daniel Hudson.

    Other lingering questions:

    • How strong a push will the Blue Jays make when they’re 4 1/2 games out in the wild-card race, with playoff odds of 23.3 percent? Club officials still should be motivated after spending heavily on George Springer and others in the offseason, and with the team returning to Toronto on Friday for the first time since Sept. 2019.

    • What will the Phillies and Braves do? The Phillies’ Dave Dombrowski and Braves’ Alex Anthopoulos are two of the league’s most aggressive executives, and their teams are both within five games of the Mets in the NL East. Thus, each plans to buy, but it’s not as if either of their clubs is inspiring — the Phils are at .500 and the Braves are two games under. Dombrowski badly needs starting pitching (a deal for Tyler Anderson fell through) and bullpen help. Anthopoulos continues to look for a bat and is also looking for relievers.

    • Where are the White Sox? Two of their second-base targets, Frazier and Escobar, already have been traded. Eloy Jiménez is back, center fielder Luis Robert is on a rehabilitation assignment. Reinforcements for the infield (the Nationals’ Josh Harrison?) and in the bullpen would enhance the team’s chances in the postseason.

    • Will the Marlins move one of their young starting pitchers for offensive help? The addition of left-hander Jesús Luzardo for Marte should only enhance that possibility. Controllable starting pitching might be the game’s most valuable commodity — and the Marlins have it.
     
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    I dont care what the underlying numbers say, you cant trust Raley in the playoffs. If you need a lefty then use Taylor, atleast he can throw strikes.

    I'm willing to give up anybody but Brown/Leon/Lee/Pena in deals.
     
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    I'm all for bringing back CFM.

    Lets recreate the magic.

    Would Javier for Morton straight up get a deal done?
     
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    It would be way too much. The Braves would be over the moon if we offered that.
     
  19. Joe Joe

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    Raley is much better at throwing strikes usually than Taylor. If Taylor would throw more strikes ,stop breaking bats, and keep pop ups from landing, he would be a closer.
     
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    Thanks man, I appreciate the reply. Since it is ESPN, I am going to choose to ignore it, haha. The national media would absolutely lose their collective sh*t if we trade for Scherzer, which is even more reason to do it, ha!
     
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