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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Feb 23, 2020.

  1. CCorn

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    People that don’t get vaxxed should be shamed.
     
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    It's mutating fast. Biggest reason to enforce wearing masks would be they can't track all the variants coming in...even the vaccine resistant varuety.

    Dumb cons neighing about freedom as a Princple rather than a Responsibility can hack a lung at the ICU while hoping they can shoot away the tiny widdle bad gais with their "peace of mind"
     
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    Whats Os learning
     
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    the fish rots from the head. If Trump killed 500,000 Americans, it's Biden's turn to take credit now, don't you think?
     
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    Yes, we got our cases down to 12k a day, this wave is on Bidens hands
     
  11. Amiga

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    If the head was pushing antivax messages, sure. This is why politically, the political right including media is back tracking fast on antivax. If they hadn’t done that, it would mostly be on Biden head. Political and idiotic mistake.
     
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    we're not really talking about either Trump or Biden though are we?
     
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    Trump hide his vax from public knowledge when it would have been a great moment to lead. Him constantly downplaying covid lead to many people underestimating covid. That also has a direct impact on vaccination - why should I take an experimental rushed vaccine that is under emergency use authorization for something that is just the flu?
     
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    you play a fun game, but you’re not so dumb as to believe what you post. Trump and his minions have spent every waking hour politicizing testing, masks, vaccines and that record is never, ever going away. Biden has been pro testing, pro mask, pro vaccine and that record stands on its own. you aren’t so stupid as to believe the idea that biden is responsible for this surge. This is yet another example of either you having some weird brand of fun that you seem to enjoy, or flat out intellectual dishonesty that plagues republicans and trumpers on a daily basis.

    covid is on the rise because dipshit republicans are too stupid to get vaccinated, and the delta variant is ravaging them. let insurance companies deny them coverage for covid related medical care if they don’t have a vaccine. Those assholes are keeping this pandemic alive and the rest of us have to deal with it, so no, I don’t have any sympathy for them.
     
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    This may be true at the moment, but data pointing towards the likeliness of our vaccinated population losing their protection against infection within the next couple of months.
     
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    It’s insane that they can’t even admit they’re vaccinated because it would be political suicidal in that loony party.
     
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    https://www.wsj.com/articles/anthony-fauci-rand-paul-wuhan-lab-leak-11627240720?mod=hp_opin_pos_2

    Anthony Fauci, Rand Paul and Wuhan
    Americans who dismissed the lab-leak theory have a conflict of interest.

    By The Editorial Board
    July 25, 2021 4:46 pm ET

    No one should expect the Chinese Communist Party to cooperate with a real inquiry into the origins of Covid-19. More disappointing is the lack of candor from American scientists and officials whose conflicts of interest deserve more scrutiny.

    More than a year-and-a-half after Chinese researchers published a draft genome of Covid-19, the world still doesn’t know where the virus came from. The leading theories are an accidental lab leak or zoonotic spillover from a bat or other intermediary species.

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    A World Health Organization team visited Wuhan this year but Chinese officials provided little useful information. Even WHO director-general Tedros Ghebreyesus, typically a Chinese ally, criticized Beijing for a lack of transparency. He called for an audit of laboratories in Wuhan as part of the origin investigation’s next phase, but Beijing rejected the idea last week.

    A senior Chinese public-health official said WHO’s plan “did not respect common sense and violated science.” The Chinese Foreign Ministry has called instead for an investigation into Fort Detrick, a U.S. military lab. A Wuhan Institute of Virology official said that his lab “did not contact, preserve or study the novel coronavirus, and it never designed, made or leaked the virus,” according to Chinese state-media. He added that there have been zero pathogen leaks or human infections since the institute opened its high-level BSL-4 lab in 2018. A Chinese official must say this or risk disappearing.

    The WIV has handled coronaviruses. U.S. experts visited the lab in 2017 and 2018 and warned about a dangerous mix of subpar safety standards and infectious bat coronaviruses. In January the State Department published a fact sheet warning that several WIV researchers had been sick with Covid-like symptoms in the fall of 2019. It also noted that the group had been conducting gain-of-function research that could possibly enable viruses to infect a new species—all while collaborating with the People’s Liberation Army. And the WIV’s critical virus databases were taken offline, ostensibly for security purposes.

    The U.S. knows something about the research conducted at the WIV, because American taxpayer dollars helped fund it. This was the crux of last week’s dispute between Sen. Rand Paul and Anthony Fauci, who had cast doubt on the lab-leak hypothesis in the past. In their latest bout, the Kentucky Senator accused Dr. Fauci of lying to Congress, a federal crime, when he said this year that the National Institutes of Health had never funded gain-of-function research in Wuhan. The exchange descended into shouting.

    The reality is complicated. The NIH gave almost $600,000 to the WIV through a nonprofit over several years to study bat coronaviruses. Mr. Paul cited a 2017 paper from WIV researchers that included experiments combining parts of viruses to study how to better infect human cells. But Dr. Fauci said the project was “judged by qualified staff up and down the chain as not being gain-of-function.”

    This might be technically true, as a 2014 federal government definition describes such research as that which “increase the ability of infectious agents to cause disease by enhancing its pathogenicity or by increasing its transmissibility.” But some scientists think the government definition is too limited and can allow de facto gain-of-function research to bypass safety protocols. Rutgers molecular biologist Richard Ebright says the NIH-funded work “was—unequivocally—gain-of-function research.”

    In early 2020, Dr. Fauci emailed his deputy a paper co-written by gain-of-function pioneer Ralph Baric and a Wuhan scientist. The official responded that they would “try to determine if we have any distant ties to this work abroad.” The next day Dr. Fauci organized a call with several nongovernment virologists, but the email chain after the meeting was redacted. Weeks later, a group of scientists published a letter in The Lancet condemning “conspiracy theories suggesting that COVID-19 does not have a natural origin.” Dr. Fauci and the public-health elite echoed the letter’s views for months.

    Mr. Paul, excitable as he may be, is a medical doctor who did his homework. The Senator clearly sees a political benefit in hammering Dr. Fauci and China, but the celebrity scientist and his allies have obvious conflicts of interest. The Lancet letter was organized by Peter Daszak, president of the EcoHealth Alliance, which had funneled the NIH money to the WIV.

    Mr. Daszak, Dr. Fauci and all researchers involved in gain-of-function research would suffer significant reputational damage and perhaps lose funding if scientific research they supported caused a pandemic. On Sunday Dr. Fauci said the research cooperation was necessary because “SARS-CoV-1 originated in China.” But exactly what did that cooperation yield?

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    Congress should thoroughly investigate the process that led to the approval of money for the WIV and possible gain-of-function research. It should also debate limits on this kind of research in the U.S. and push for international standards. While China is unlikely to budge, its opacity has aroused justifiable suspicion around the world, and the White House should keep the pressure on Beijing and the WHO.

    Democrats and much of the media will avoid the topic because Mr. Paul and the populist right have taken up this cause. Such groupthink is what prevented the lab-leak theory from being treated seriously for more than a year. Making the same mistake twice is inexcusable.

    Appeared in the July 26, 2021, print edition.



     
  19. Jugdish

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    I believe he learned how to write a script to auto-post Babylon Bee tweets to ClutchFans.
     
  20. durvasa

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    This editorial makes no comment on the plausibility of the lab-leak theory. That’s the most important thing to understand — and it’s not for politicians to decide on that.

    As for the call for Fauci and other scientists to “suffer reputation damage” — they should suffer that damage if a breach of protocol is found on their end. Blaming Americans who followed procedure by the books for a Chinese lab ****-up would be a purely politicized move.
     

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