1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

‘Chicago is the Worst’

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by tinman, Jul 22, 2021.

?

Crime capital is

  1. Chicago

    8 vote(s)
    66.7%
  2. New York

    1 vote(s)
    8.3%
  3. Los Angeles

    2 vote(s)
    16.7%
  4. Houston

    1 vote(s)
    8.3%
  1. tinman

    tinman Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 9, 1999
    Messages:
    98,178
    Likes Received:
    40,787
  2. Ubiquitin

    Ubiquitin Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2001
    Messages:
    17,711
    Likes Received:
    12,197
    Manhattan: White Collar Crimes are still crimes
     
  3. Os Trigonum

    Os Trigonum Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 2, 2014
    Messages:
    72,963
    Likes Received:
    111,160
    write-in votes for St Louis?
     
    FranchiseBlade and King1 like this.
  4. fchowd0311

    fchowd0311 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2010
    Messages:
    47,887
    Likes Received:
    36,750
    Kotzebue, Alaska

    I feel like small town white majority areas get off the hook because they live more sparsely but rural areas can be just as dangerous especially meth regions.
     
    FranchiseBlade likes this.
  5. King1

    King1 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2004
    Messages:
    13,275
    Likes Received:
    8,717
    Chicago is worse but St Louis is pretty bad
     
  6. King1

    King1 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2004
    Messages:
    13,275
    Likes Received:
    8,717
    You accuse others of racism but you seem a tad racist yourself
     
    #6 King1, Jul 22, 2021
    Last edited: Jul 22, 2021
  7. dobro1229

    dobro1229 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2010
    Messages:
    24,054
    Likes Received:
    19,985
    South Chicago and the rest of Chicago are two completely different cities from a safety standpoint. I don’t know why people don’t put that in context and when you pinpoint south Chicago you are focusing on a predominantly black area. That context is important.

    But yeah as someone who goes to Chicago a lot but also goes out East a lot too, I feel much safer riding the Orange line El in Chicago than I do pumping gas in Mineola Texas or parts of Arkansas where it’s a different type of institutionalized self sabotaging segment of our society. I have family in Arkansas and they have to had to fortify their property like it’s Fort Knox. The crime there is insane.
     
    FranchiseBlade and fchowd0311 like this.
  8. fchowd0311

    fchowd0311 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2010
    Messages:
    47,887
    Likes Received:
    36,750
    Amazing that an entire thread dedicated to urban crime with mostly conservatives all giddy because it's quite obvious what the intent and application here of this thread is and you are accusing the one guy who posted a non-minority majority area a racist.

    Amazin.

    Introspection. Utilize it.
     
  9. King1

    King1 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2004
    Messages:
    13,275
    Likes Received:
    8,717
    Whatever you say and however you want to spin it. You need to take a long look in the mirror
     
  10. fchowd0311

    fchowd0311 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2010
    Messages:
    47,887
    Likes Received:
    36,750
    I'd trust the safety of my hijabi mother walking the streets of Southside Chicago more than Harrison Arkansas.
     
  11. rocketsjudoka

    rocketsjudoka Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2007
    Messages:
    54,344
    Likes Received:
    42,402
    These are issues where politics exacerbate problems and can get in the way of solutions.

    Yes, things are getting bad regarding crime in Chicago and other urban centers. While it's easy to gleeful talk about the failure of "Democratic" run cities just like it is to talk about the problems of rural areas in Red states rather than pointing fingers we should look at how to address problems in both. This is where ideology can get in the way and like so much else solutions are viewed ideologically. "Defund the Police" is considered a crazy Leftist idea while support the police is viewed as implicitly racist.

    If we look at the history of law enforcement especially what we've just seen in the last few years there are some very deep seated problems with LEO. Reform of PD's along with how they are used is badly needed. Trust needs to be rebuilt between LEO and the people they are supposed to protect and serve. At the same time "Defund the Police" has greatly demoralized LEO leading to resignations and essentially an uncontrolled decrease of PD's. Inconsistent rhetoric, unclear and chaotic policies by city councils and other political groups has caused fear and confusion in many cities.

    If we really want to help out cities and address crime we need to get beyond political sloganeering and solutions are going to be less about ideology.
     
  12. Os Trigonum

    Os Trigonum Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 2, 2014
    Messages:
    72,963
    Likes Received:
    111,160
    end the war on drugs and I have to think most of the gang-related violence and associated ills like incarceration rates etc will fade
     
    DonnyMost, ThatBoyNick and King1 like this.
  13. rocketsjudoka

    rocketsjudoka Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2007
    Messages:
    54,344
    Likes Received:
    42,402
    That is certainly one of the things that should be considered. The War on Drugs though is one of those things that have become far more about ideology than it is what it actually doing.
     
  14. dobro1229

    dobro1229 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2010
    Messages:
    24,054
    Likes Received:
    19,985
    This is the whole point right here:

    "You want to know what this was really all about?" Ehrlichman asked, referring to the war on drugs.

    "The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with mar1juana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news."

    "Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did," he concluded, according to Baum.

    Of course Reagan's war on drugs had slightly different variations, but in the end it was the same point. Every once in awhile they just say the quiet parts out loud.

    Now put this into contrast with our current dilemma where there is a "Big Lie" about election "fraud" in black communities. If this campaign lie from Nixon can have such a profound impact on drug policy and injustice in policing, just imagine what type of ripple affect the Big Lie on voting is going to have for decades.
     
  15. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2002
    Messages:
    42,794
    Likes Received:
    3,005
    Problems in law enforcement don't explain the increase in violent crime in Houston.

    That's a totally separate subject.
     
  16. tinman

    tinman Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 9, 1999
    Messages:
    98,178
    Likes Received:
    40,787
    This song talks about crime and mentions St Louis
     
  17. tinman

    tinman Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 9, 1999
    Messages:
    98,178
    Likes Received:
    40,787
    Crime business is booming
    [​IMG]
     
  18. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2002
    Messages:
    42,794
    Likes Received:
    3,005
    The liberal responses in this thread are ridiculous

    @fchowd0311

    Next random ass rural town you claim to be afraid to visit, give us the crime stats in that town. How many murders have you heard about in Harrison, AR?
     
    blue_eyed_devil and King1 like this.
  19. tinman

    tinman Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 9, 1999
    Messages:
    98,178
    Likes Received:
    40,787
    The judges letting out murderers on bond for happy meals
     
  20. tinman

    tinman Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 9, 1999
    Messages:
    98,178
    Likes Received:
    40,787
    This guy is a Lin Fan
    Only pay attention to real Rockets fans

    he’s from Boston he doesn’t get geto boyz
    He doesn’t represent the 713
     
    King1 and pgabriel like this.

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now