And before the gang starts b****ing about size and strength differential, the comparison was about role. Mobley would play Draymond's role of defensive anchor and play the 4 in base, and the 5 when team goes small.
This is exactly how I feel. Not a knock on Green I just think his type is more available year to year.
Devin Booker or DeAndre Ayton? I am taking Devin Booker every single time, obviously. Find your Clint Capela, Bam Adebayo, Jarrett Allen later. It will be easier than finding your Devin Booker, 100%.
Are you drafting for role-players, or do you want to swing for HOFers when you are rebuilding? Is there a HOF big that ever existed that averaged less rebounds than JJJ does? Serious question. What is his path to becoming a franchise-defining player? If we aren't looking for that type of player, what are we doing here? "Mobley can give you everything else"... Except for a post-move, or a counter post-move. He gives you other things, sure.
How many Booker types in the NBA currently? Capela and Allen are nothing like Bam that's like saying Oladipo and Green are the same thing. There are multiple high level shooting guards in every draft, Edwards last year, Hardy next year Bam and Mobley types are not found every year.
Why do you care about a post move or a counter post move. How many times are people posting up these days?
I think that's where you and I have a disconnect--you look at Jackson as merely a role player and I see him as more than that. You scoff at his stats (specifically rebounding) but if we agree that big men needs time to develop in the NBA (say, 2 years), Jackson is where he should be in his career. I'd actually say he was ahead of the curve until COVID/Bubble occurred and then got injured this past season. As for post moves, counter moves....you're going by the assumption that anyone we draft (whether it be Cade, Green, or Mobley) is a ready-made product. Neither of those guys are ready-made products. I'm hoping that a prospect can, y'know, develop and acquire additional skills. Before you think I'm saying Jackson was on a HOF trajectory, no, that's not what I'm saying. What I'm suggesting is that Jackson was on a path to be an All-Star caliber player (which is what you hope your top pick turns out right?) despite his lack of rebounding. Surely if Detroit takes Cade and Stone drafts Mobley you're not going to be mad about it right? Because I think where you and I can come to an agreement is that we trust Stone and his decision making skills.
circa 2020 https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2878938-which-stars-can-be-trusted-with-post-ups-in-todays-nba today! https://www.nba.com/stats/players/t...onType=Regular Season&sort=POST_TOUCHES&dir=1 If the goal is that Evan Mobley is going to be as good as Embiid, Jokic, Vucevic, AD, or KAT then Mobley better average at least 8 post touches per game. Im going to go make some popcorn for your response!
I was talking specifically about scoring on alley oops, where that level of athleticism comes into play. I never said Mobley wasn't athletic or coordinated. Apparently, if I think he'll be more grounded like Pau Gasol or Lamarcus Aldridge rather than a high flyer like Kemp I'm being nitpicky and biased. If anything, I think you're more biased than anyone else on this board.
Kemp was one of the bounciest bigs to EVER play the game, who is being disingenuous now? And Kemp was not projected to 5 nor was he a 7 footer. Apples to oranges amirite?
This goes back to my post about how we are still conditioned to view players with Mobley's height as only down-low, back to the basket, low post move specialists. We need to evolve our thinking and understand that, hey, this 7'0" might not need to operate in the post like a traditional big man and can function 18 feet out and beyond. Just because Wood is on the team doesn't mean we have to find a guy that brings what he doesn't have (physicality, low post game, etc.). Would I want to see Mobley develop post moves? Sure but that's more or less a part of his overall bag of arsenal/weapons. You have a 7'0" kid with very good ball handling skills for a player his size that can move with high fluidity and we all want him to bang down low? The one thing Mobley can learn and master is Embiid's pump fake from the 3. It's a slowass move and I don't know why defenders bite but they do all the time. If Mobley can steal that move and factoring in his foot speed...that's pretty damn nasty.
So you think those guys are that good because of post touches? Really? I'm not even getting started with you today.
A big would then become one dimensional if you cant drop it off and run set plays off him especially a guy who is touted as a good passer like Mobley. If you cant run post sets with him its a waste. Not so much for his scoring off the set (even though it would be nice for him to score at least a little in that function) but for the movement around him and what it can open up for shooters. Without that you have another 7 foot wing who will pick and pop and run around and play D - for the 2nd overall pick in the NBA. He can develop, Im not boxing him in, but to say that the post game is not needed anymore is not a proper view of the game. The BEST bigs will still use the post game to open up everything else. In my humble opinion at least.
"Booker and CP3, Middleton, Murray, Lebron" - I wouldn't lump Lebron in with the rest of that group, but my point is simply that's it's much easier to get one of those other guys you talk about - like a Murray, Middleton, or Booker - than it is to get an Embiid, Jokic, Giannis, AD, or Ayton. Players with that level of skill present a huge mismatch, especially when they can stretch the floor, and are more valuable in *today's* NBA, which is increasingly where the league is going. It's almost like the league went from 'small ball' across the league with little value for centers to a new phase going forward where size matters so long as your big man can do more than sit on the block and score with his back to the basket. I'd be fine with either Mobley or Green, but I'm leaning towards Mobley only because of what he can potentially do with his size, something that is a really hot commodity in the league and very rare to have on a team.
I agree and this all goes back to how Silas and the coaching team will utilized and develop Mobley. I would think if they're going to use the 2nd pick on him--a pick they could have almost lost completely to OKC--that they envision him doing, well, pretty much everything above average to elite. He can get tutelage on how to develop post moves (this is just me dreamcasting work out sessions between Mobley and Hakeem here), he can get better as a perimeter scorer, he can become a better passer. If Stone, Houston, and Mobley are game for it then they can turn him into an elite big man. Out of the teams drafting in the top 5 Houston is best place for Mobley to develop.
"NObody posts up - its not important to have post moves as a 7 footer" (I spun it a little just to keep up )
