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Vlade Divac...War

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by PhiSlammaJamma, May 19, 2004.

  1. PhiSlammaJamma

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    What a ridiculous statement. I think the U.S., and Kevin Garnett included, probably know more about War than anyone. we may not know defeat. But we know war. That just kind of pissed me off a little. ok. I'm done.
     
  2. Trader Dan

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    What did Divac say?
     
  3. SamFisher

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    Not that I agree with anything he says or like Vlade, but...

    most Serbs, Croats, bosnians, kosovars etc. probably know a little more about war than Kevin Garnett or most americans not affiliated with the millitary.
     
  4. thomp1141

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    No offense, but your ignorant response kind of pissed me off a little. Mr. Divac has grown up in a war. Fighting everyday of his life until he got the golden ticket and was able to escape and come to the United States to play basketball. If I am not mistaken, while Mr. Divac was playing in the playoffs about three years ago, his home in Serbia was blown up during the fighting. I do not remember if any family members where hurt or not. He was quoted in an interview after a game saying that he can only celebrate the win for a few minutes and then his thoughts return to the saftey of his people. He then excused himself from the interview and went to call his family. Has the U.S. been in its far share of war? Absolutely. Can anyone outside of the WTC and Pentegon say what it is like to be in a war or terriorist activity in your home? Even more than those horrible events of 9/11, they live in complete fear of their home being attacked every moment of everyday. The live in this fear because it happens to a neighbor of theirs everyday. I could go on, and probably should go on about comments like this and our egocentric society, but I'm not. Ok, I'm done.
     
  5. PhiSlammaJamma

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    He very smugly said, "No comment, What does Kevin Garnett know about War."

    And although I understand his viewpoint, I don't agree with it, I think we know as much about War as anyone.
     
  6. PhiSlammaJamma

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    Why is my statement ignorant? Your argument makes no sense. First you say we've been in a War, and then in the next statement you say we somehow don't know anything about it. Vlades statement is ignorant if that's how you want to define ignorance. We've been in plenty of Wars. Why does he know more about War than we do? Because his homeland has been ravaged by it. That's silly. Everyone is touched by War and the U.S. is involved in wars all the time. Not only that, but we are often the lead in War. So for him and you to say we know nothing about War is absurd.
     
  7. SamFisher

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    FWIW, Garnett apologized yesterday for sounding like a goofy ass wannabe tupac.

    "Sincerely, I apologize for my comments earlier," the Timberwolves forward told reporters after practice. "I didn't mean to offend anybody."

    PSJ: I thnk Divac has a valid point insofar as saying that Garnett's conception of war pales in comparison to that of billions of people around the globe, who experience it every day. Basketball isn't war -- it's a game.
     
  8. thomp1141

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    Exaclty, what does Kevin know about war. Before I go on, let me preface this by saying the media is making too big of a deal about KG's comments. We all know his statements were by no means meant to be taken literally. However, if Vlade finds exception with his comment, he has more right to than anyone. Vlade knows about war. Kevin does not. Has Kevin seen his friend killed in cross fire on his way to find food? Has Kevin lost countless nights of sleep as mortar shells explode around his home? Kevin has not experienced war. Vlade has. He is absolutely correct. Kevin has no idea what war is, what it is like to experience war, nor do I. Again, I don't think what Kevin said is that big of a deal, but to be pissed at Vlade for his comments is pure ignorance.
     
  9. thomp1141

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    That is exactly why. You are misunderstanding me. I am not saying the U.S. knows nothing of war (although one in your backyard is much different than being 5000 miles away). I am saying that Vlade has experienced it. Been there, been in danger and his family is still in danger. Kevin has not. The statement is not regarding U.S vs. Serbia in war knowledge, its about Vlade vs Kevin.
     
  10. New Jack

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    I don’t understand how Divac saying “What does Kevin Garnett know about war” has anything to do with America not knowing anything about war. All I think Divac meant is Garnett does not have any first hand experience of war, which he hasn’t.
     
  11. PhiSlammaJamma

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    Uhhmm, KG lives in the U.S. He's a U.S. Citizen. Why doesn't he know about War? We've only been involved in just about every War that that has broke out in the world. I guess we didn't send our family, neightbors, and friends into those Wars. I guess KG wouldn't know anything about that would he? Does Vlade know about that? Does he know what it's like to finance a war in Iraq and not be able to feed the homeless? Maybe he does. But don't tell me we don't. Cause we do. War has impacted the U.S. on every level since World War I. Sure. Vlade knows War. But we do too.
     
  12. PhiSlammaJamma

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    Maybe if KG wasn't illiterate, didn't pay taxes, and never talked to anyone he wouldn't know anything. But I just don't believe that. I think we just have two different viewpoints.
     
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    Divac had close friendships ripped apart because of war. He, Dino Rajda, Toni Kukoc and others played together united before war broke out over there in the early 90s. After that, they could barely speak to each other without worrying that word would get back home that he was conversing with the enemy. Hence, their contact had been strained and awkward. KG, while probably seeing war footage on the news and what not, has never really lived through war like Divac and others from that region have. Divac is completely right here. When the fighting moves to our land everyday (yes, I know 9/11 happened on our soil), then KG will know what war is all about.
     
  14. SamFisher

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    PSJ, war impacts you and me in a lot different and lesser way than does somebody who's on the ground with bombs falling 24-7.

    KG plays a game for a living. He's no more of a soldier than Kellen Winslow II.
     
  15. JuanValdez

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    PSj, I think you're missing the point here. Divac has some first-hand experience because of the war on his native soil. KG may know people who went away to war, may have supported or opposed a war, could even have had a loved one killed in a war. But, he was never in the military and was never in a combat zone. KG is a citizen of a country that prides itself on never having to fight a foreign aggressor on its own soil.

    I wouldn't be so hard on Vlade. His country has taken a real beating recently and he's understandably a little sensitive to flippancy about it. He didn't go on some rant about it; he just pointed out KG's naivete in that subject. He is naive on the subject, and it isn't even anything to be too embarrassed about. He just said something that was less than sensitive.
     
  16. GreenVegan76

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    Yeah, but what does Kevin Garnett know about war?
     
  17. across110thstreet

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    WAR, what is it good for?

    Absolutely nothing.



    the media flipped over KG's comments, now people are freaking out because of vlade's response to KG's comments.


    "No comment" is a pretty good way of saying "i don't give a crap and i could care less what KG said, I have a basketball game i need to focus on"



    don't read too much into these comments, as the media already has.

    KG was making a freaking joke, and he realized that SOME people found the comment insensitive.

    it has nothing to do with vlade, it has nothing to do with serbia, bosnia, herzgino-whatever you call the war-torn country of the week.


    quote me on it and print it.


    EDIT:

    I'm watching sportscenter right now, i have heard statements from Sam, Wally, both coaches, and KG's apology, and Vlade's response.


    It is a metaphor, people , get over it.
     
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  18. PhiSlammaJamma

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    I hope he tells us so I can be vindicated ;)
     
  19. fadeaway

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    That's a weak argument. There's a huge difference between actually being in the midst of combat with bombs dropping all around and simply reading about it in history books and through media exposure. Divac had every right to make that comment.
     
  20. AroundTheWorld

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    What fadeaway said.
     

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