The guy that is most responsible for dismantling the Rockets is Tillman Fertita. Didn't sign Ariza Didn't trade for JaMychal Green Didn't think CP3 was worth the money etc. Every single move that he has made since he bought the team has been motivated by wanting to save money.
"If we're really an elte team, s one little role player going to make a difference?" "AriZa CanT ShoOt, wE woNT MiSS hiM" "15 million one year?! Can you imagine what we tilman' can buy instead, Save.Tilman.Money!" "Harden needs to step up, thats why hes the highest paid, does he have a proper father figure?" "Harden's a culture killer, also I don't want to pay for the veteran leadership/culture of ariza" "real winners like MJ, Lebron, kobe, hakeem would just sew their ankle back on, tough it out on pure and utter winning grit, and just find a way to win...they would never ask for trades or more help-Steven A and Skip bayless explained it all to me, harden's a problem I can't believe he still does nightlife when he should be at home drinking his sweat and meditating while balancing basketball to really become a winner" Tilman Fertitta: We went All in(except bird rights, MLE, TPE, using our picks, assets, to get better)
Yea the tax reasons won't hold up as the money in the league goes up. How stupid you think the OKC owner felt when he let Harden go over some tax or details? Stupid enough that he was a huge tax payer down the line anyway inspite of being in the small market...case in point with the nba economics, if you aren't willng to spend tax when you're window comes up then you aren't going to be a serious contender...serious destination for 1A talent. Rich Paul just said it, the money in the league is only going up, the new owners are almost all billionaires and that trend is just going to go up. Yes I know, we all want to pretend like its our money and our team and save our beloved dear leader owner money regardless that he continues to raise price on fans, take in crazy profits with new tv deal...but lets pray for his benevolence and we don't want to be embarassed in Monte carlo in the billionaire circuit if Tilman doesn't have a bigger yacht than MBS...america needs to treat our billionaires better tahn that for all that job creation tilman has done. yea yea i know, we're waiting on repeater tax and for jimmy butler and harden to show up and say I want to play for this cheapass owner, then we'll spend..
Always remember that Tilman Fertitta willingly destroyed a championship contender with the best GM and best guard in franchise history
Hopefully he learns his lesson and stays away. I think Patrick is actually going to do a better job than people think, judging by his likes on Twitter. I like Rafael and Eli and the current approach.
Tbh Ariza's game dropped right off the next season in PHX. He hasn't been a rotational guy since the conference finals. I think if we look back I was very pro bringing him back. But rockets maybe didn't buy back at the right time.
I'm of the party absolutely a bit shocked by the lack of self awareness or the depths of cheapness and pettiness that has become the landry's rockets burndown the last few years. but I also think now at this point it can only get better. Hopefully tilman recently getting boo'd in public pierced his armor of lack of self awareness and will spend in 3-5 years or whenever we have the chance to next time. patrick seems aware enough but hes also touting Oladipo as an all star guard and that somehow outside of injuries we would've had a successful year this year...remember if they went that route without injuries then according to them, they 'd be happy with possibly a ceilng of first round of playoffs..that is scary. Stone so far is good in my book. his interviews aren't promising but every GM has to accomodate and talk positively of the owner/boss so I don't hold it against him and its a part of his job to cover for tilly. All in all, I don't think we can screw it up too much outside of trying to rush into the playoffs this or next year and giving up future assets. We'll always remember this burn down, the deflections, the lies so on. But remember them, learn from them, and don't F it up again Fertittas...This is the Houton Rockets, not Landrys. no 2 pick and next major step towards returning back to greatness, lets go!
Yea guys don't worry, TIlman took delvery of his 2nd yacht and is probalby in the billionaire summer circuit in the french riviera buying expensive drinks with all the money half of clutch fans screamed for him to save and then also the rest he raised prices on us fans...we take care of our billionaires in texas
This ain't rocket science unless you are that dense. Who should we listen to, Chris Paul who is now continuing another successful year, in the finals, and has every reason to stick it to harden for preferring westbrook, but he continues to say the truth...guys like Ariza were the X factors...you take out Chrs Paul or even Crowder, not the best players, but hte most mportant and Phx isn't in the finals. " Former Houston Rockets guard Chris Paul was on the Knuckleheads podcast with Darius Miles and Quentin Richardson and explained the impact of the Rockets losing Ariza. “People don’t realize, that’s the biggest thing that we missed. That was tough when we lost [Ariza] because he sorta was like the glue. He was that glue for our team.” " So listen to Paul...or Tinman whose claim to fame is signing up on a message board and leading a crusade against one dumb owner while suspiciously and devotedly bending over for another. Sometimes you wonder how people can be this dense, yet we witness the phenomena every day. Nature is amazing
Its about assets. I'm completley fine with replacing Ariza, Harden, or anyone for that of a matter. This is a tough league and you have to make tough deisions, but if your in your window and have a commitment to win, you have to replace them well. Which we had the opportunity to do in 18. WE had TPE, MLE, we could've used bird rigths to sign adn trade ariza...basically anything to replace him or retain the contract rather tahn what we did....which is 0 replacement. In fact we replaced him with James Ennis(who we traded that year while in our rotation for a top 55 protectedn 2nd round pick..no player) with Carmelo(left after first 10 games, we kept his minimum contracct for months to waste just so we could trade it towards tax savings) Then finally Daneil House(From the gleague, in our rotation, was cut in January for 2 months for tax savings and bc we didn't want to let go of Carmelo's minimum" So you can do the math, while HArden and Paul are playing big minutes, they are coming back to empty lockers in Febuary while watching other stars and teams pay up at all level during their windows. Thats one way to look at it The other is that it was a one year deal, no future issues to us and we can trade it as an expiring, which he was trade for Kelly Oubre. IT GIVES US OPTIONS vs none by not retaining him The other asset is quantifying what he does off the court. Ayton just said Chris Paul s the best thing to happen to his career and that his leadership, wisdom, and willingness to mentor made him a better player that year and more productive than he would've imagined. So thats hard to quantiy leadership, culture influence, glue guy typeof things and Ariza had a voice with both Harden and Paul a the glue, he was our defensive leader, he was the only one in our locker room who had a ring and experience winnign with Kobe...all in all those things are hard to quantify and thats a part of the difference he made. In so many angles we could've done better things in that situation than what we did do, focus on money savings and best bang for buck. That turns off harden and paul for the league status quo from stars, screws us fans and our window... its the first domino that fell, but its not a headliner name but year in and out, veterans who aren't dominant but play a role have made big plays on O or D that led to rings
I could see what you mean in the "twitter" world. EVerything is polarize and anti something But this ain't that. Heck Tilman is a guy I think most of us don't care to know or worry about any more than any other franchise cares abotu their owner. Lke Les, they do their think, collect our money, finance when the window is there and they get to hold the trophy and be heroes everyone is happy. In the case with Tilman he has several reciepts of publicly lying to us to this very day. REcently about going all in when 90 percent of our transactions were about tax savings. .. or even lying saying that getting under the tax was a fluke or accident and he didn't know how we did it (we traded first round picks and rotation players, no one in the nba does that by accident) Or even lying publicly about MDA's negotiation to the press...or about Jeff Bzdelik...or about the pandemic and asking for govertnment support...lol basically you can go find many reciepts of him selling anything he can to whatever casual idiot will listen and nod like a used car salesman...those are all public, let alone you can find an owner who does that, who plasters himself all over the arena and team, or goes takes the mike after a loss where you cheaped out on the taem and demand the team do better. His own actions have put him in a very, small club of Sarver(reformed), Dolan(most like him, except he spends so he is better), Sterling of people who talk about their owner negatively synanomously with their team. To pretend like we're just making it up and somehow finding someone to blame when their are literal quotes, actions, facts that we can paint to is simply deniel. I say all this and believe in rehab/reform and change. I'm hoping him getting boo'd in public this last month or hopefully just not wanting to tarnish his legacy like the TExans might wake him along with the facct that the TV money is growing and he should be in better financial shape to spend and he won't have to spend above status quo until another window. So we'll be ok, just don't let you're ego meddling mess up our team again and just heed you'r own advice, shut up and listen. You can believe what you want, but you can go find another franchise who saw a decades old CEO with money on the table leave, a GM with millions above market value on the table leave, the assistant GMS, the coach and associate head coach of our most successful reason left without even negotiating with tilman again. The stars, the vets, basically anyone with nba clout and history all wanted out so I don't think you're theory applies even though it can generally be true, this guy is the real deal jerkoff. Doesn't absolve harden and morey and whoever else MDA from coming up short, but given that according to league winning in you're window, he cheaped out and he did in terrible fashin with a loud mouth and lying and pointing fingers that didn't help his cause. This is the same dude that went to court for a decade to avoid building an outdoor space for the damn tigers he himself placed in the middle of downtown you'e getting more of an idea of what type of personality you are dealing with
Nope, Ariza himself said he wanted to run it back Harden and Paul were his best friends on the team and they all wanted another shot. But Morey called them even before Free agency and said they can't make an offer. There was no reason for morey to do that becacuse as a manager he is just giving away a tradeable assets for nothing, thats just tax money. Furthermore, his contract was a one year deal...same thing we're all waiting for Wall to be, bc at that point you become very tradeable and sure enough he was traded for kelly oubre jr. So in many angles, we took the cheap route and just lke last year tilman just had a PR blame tour. Remember all the leaks of harden being terrrible as we runined the asset value of our very own trade saying we're 'willing to get uncomfortable' while at the same time disapaaging him and then somehow also saying this guy who we need a culture change from we're also going to give him 100 million to stay if he wants...bascailly an answer for anyone who wants it who still buys Landry's BS
Might've helped if we retained our most successful coaching Lets not forget, jeff Bzdelik was teh leader of our most successful defense. MDA's is known as an offensive genius, players are drawn to play for him, but we all know hes terrible on defense give credit to les, if you will, he hired an ASsociate head coach and paid for it. WE had our best years, then as he did with MDA, he over negotiated and this guy first retired with the tilman special(be with his family) then came back(tilman paid) then he left again and ran without negotiations like so many people with tilman to be an assiatant without ever dealing with rockets culture again that matters, tilmans smart about cheaping out on margins and non headlining moves for the casual
Our best coach was Rudy T mike d’Antoni has never made to the finals even with super talented teams like he had in Phoenix He never makes adjustments He never calls timeouts His six man rotations never work He plays his top players 50000 minutes a night Chris Paul shooting mid range jumpers all day in the finals shows us what was missing
They both had a hand in it. Who was the dude who mandated we trade for Cp3 when he was gonna be a free agent in a year? Then pushed him out for his buddy WB? It's not like Harden was some hapless pawn with no power in the Rox org.
O course our best coach was Rudy T, Agreed But MDA was our best option there. And if you don't have a plan to get better, then you keep your best option. I agree with all the criticism, short rotation(but also when the owner is getting cheaper on every roster spot,) I definitely agree with his lack of adjustments. You do realize Chris Paul also shot mid range here and he had the full endorsement, enthusiasm, and encouragement multiple times in public and private from MDA, from Morey...that they evaluate it based on the percentages. Paul is an elite mid range shooter, no one told him not to here https://bbs.clutchfans.net/threads/fact-checker-mda-made-nash-ignore-midrange.285685/
