Agreed, they are different players, but I couldn't really come up with a good comparison for Mobley since he's fairly unique. He's got the quiet demeanor of Tim Duncan and he's a two way player that is better on defense than offense like Duncan, so that's why I used him despite it being an imperfect comparison.
Prime Horford vs Prime Beal I'm still taking Beal. I noticed that Horford's last two contracts were albatrosses which is why he got traded so many times.
I like how those things changed when Ayton was drafted. The reason why Lavine and Beal are noted is because they are more similar size wise. And you made my point for me Booker was not the franchise changing guy either.
That's fine I would not. The only albatros contract was the last one and is the only one he was traded on, but he still had that type of value to the NBA.
I was just using that as an example, obviously their games are different. Mobley is fairly unique, so finding a perfect comparison is difficult. Substance is what drug that team of losers to the elite 8, without Mobley do they even make it out of the first round? Also, Green was getting torched by G league scrubs every single game.....and the "best" game he ever played he was a -29 for his team as they got completely blown out by G league scrubs.....so yeah, you probably don't want to go there. Anyway, it's fine if you want the LaVine clone, he's a decent player after all, I just don't think that's the best option for the team.
This is Ayton's third year. They were terrible defensively in his first two years. Why credit him with their turnaround when he's probably their third best player? The turnaround probably has a lot more to do with Monty Williams and CP3's arrival than simply drafting Ayton. If you don't think Booker is THE guy for Phoenix then we'll just disagree there.
Which is why he is highly variable. Maybe his quite demeanor isn't a positive? It's hard to know, but just comparing to Tim Duncan because it makes Mobley sound like a better prospect is a bit dubious. Probably not. Even though USC had one of the weakest schedule among the top 25, they probably wouldn't have made it. Why wouldn't I? I believe Green faced more NBA style competition. The competition Mobley was going against at USC wouldn't even make it to the G Leauge. Look at how many prospects are projected to go to the NBA in the PAC-12....... When we saw Mobley go against Gonzaga, the team with the most NBA talent, he couldn't effect the game. That's not all on Mobley since USC wasn't a very good team, but it was enlightening. Considering the alternative is a high variance "big", I'd rather not gamble. Gambling with the #2 and going for unicorn potential often backfires.
Mikal Bridges has been as good as Ayton in terms of WS. Suns ended up with two top 5 talents in that loaded draft with Ayton.
I am not crediting him with the turn around I am just saying he is very valuable to winning. Yes Booker is the guy but he did not turn that team around it took several years of drafting, trades and coaching. My point being Green would be a piece just like Mobley or Ayton. I think Ayton has been the 2nd most valuable player during this run.
Fair enough, stick with the guy with the Zach LaVine ceiling who just got done getting slapped around by non-NBA caliber players in the G league because you are afraid of bigs. That's a valid decision, but some would rather go for the guy with the highest ceiling that would do a lot more to help the team win. This will be a draft we'll look back on 10 years from now and we'll have the answers then, but unfortunately it's anyone's guess right now as to how it'll play out. The Green gang is sold that Mobley will be a bust....because apparently all tall players are busts in their minds, we'll, he'll have to be or history won't be kind to them. I'll be the first to admit being wrong if Mobley ends up a bust and Green ends up "the next Kobe" as some are laughably suggesting.
And back to the unicorn thing. Man you sure are focusing a lot on the Gonzaga game a team that has at least 3 1st NBA prospects. So guys can't have bad games as a 19 year old?
I don't think Green is the next Kobe or Wade..... but Mobley is too much of enigma and the effort is concerning. Mobley played top 25 NCAA competition too sporadically to convince me he can be the type player you draft at #2. The Mobley Mob is sold that Mobley isn't a high variance player with their comparisons of AD, Bosh, Tim Duncan, Ralph Sampson.
Lol... you're joking right? Serge Ibaka is a similar player. Also done a lot of winning. Guess what happened when he went to the Magic briefly? They still sucked. There are great defensive players on teams that suck. There are great offensive players on teams that suck. Whoever we end up choosing, I pray we move well past this one dude controlling the whole team situation we had for nearly a decade. You need a great to win.
Best way to see what someone can do is by playing tough competition. Mobley Mob keeps making statements about how well his defense and offensive will translate. I'm skeptical of that based on his play and the jump from NCAA to NBA. His brother played the Center role because Mobley can't box out or rebound at an above average rate. It's not concerning how easily guards and wings could move Mobley in the NCAA?
It's hard to come up with a direct comparison for Mobley because he is so unique, you can find elements of several different players. What makes me confident that he'll do well in the NBA is the skills he already has. Day 1 he'd come in as the best defensive player on the team and would be able to help facilitate on offense. When it comes to Green, he wouldn't be the best anything day 1, just another guy. KPJ is a better ball handler, facilitator, and scorer than he is. KMJ is a better athlete than he is. Almost everyone on the team is a better defender than he is. Sure the thought is that one day he'll become something more than what he currently is, but that's what gives me pause about him. As of now, there's nothing he does extremely well. He's kind of good at creating his own shot, but he's not going to create shots for others, and he's not as good at creating his own shot as KPJ is. He's kind of good scoring in transition, but so are a lot of players. He was pretty good at shooting 3's in a 15 game sample, but a lot of players looked good in 15 game samples. There's just nothing about Green IMO that jumps out and says he's someone with legit superstar upside. He's held back by things completely lacking in his skillset. He's not a facilitator, he's not a sharpshooter, he's not someone who plays any defense at all. If he had any one of those 3 things to add to his athleticism and flash, I'd be much higher on him. Are the Rockets considerably better with Green alongside KPJ than Armoni Brooks or Sterling Brown? Maybe, but I don't know that for sure and I find that concerning about a potential #2 pick.
Joking about what? What does Ibaka have to do with anything he is a level if not 2 below Horford. Who as the great player he played with in Atlanta?
It's just as likely Wood or Olynick (if we resign him) will outplay Mobley on day 1 and year 1. Mobley is a toothpick with a high center of gravity who will need years of NBA strength and conditioning to not get boxed out by guards..... I just don't know how you can just assume Mobley will be the best defender on day1..... Seems more thoughts and prayers than based on anything in reality. I don't see anything preventing Green from improving his shot and playmaking except himself.
But you keep talking about 1 game. I am not gonna keep going back and forth with you about his weaknesses, he does have things to be concerned about but so does everybody else. There is concern about Greens handle and that's as troubling as being moved out of the way by bigger guys. Is that really why his brother played the C role or was it because that was best to put the most talent on the floor? I think we need to end this, you have your opinion and I have mine, I am not gonna keep harping on Greens negatives to prove a point. I noticed you never responded to B Mac being a consensus top 3 guy.
