Just b/c Mobley's being quiet doesn't mean he's all work, no play. He could be playing video games all day for all we know. Just because Jalen Green is hyping himself up, doesn't mean he'll be a selfish/bad player. I view it as him wanting to WIN (aka be 1st overall pick), so JG is working with his team to do so. He's a competitor.
Yeah, again, this is where its important to actually read what you're quoting and not just make assumptions. I only point this out because of the 10,000x in this thread i've say the hype MIGHT be true or MIGHT not, but at the minimum is positive evidence for Green instead of what others are making it to be, which is negative evidence, all while completely ignoring the lack of similar articles (though not lack of hype, Mobley has PLENTY of hype, he just doesn't have the same type of articles or videos talking about his passion for the game, desire to be great, non-stop motor and mental approach, workouts with NBA stars, etc, etc) on Mobley. So reading what you quoted. Here, I got you: "no disagreements if that were the case. But that’s not the case. Instead it’s gone 180 degrees to the implication that this is a bunch of hype and flash and no substance…. Because there are so many of the reports it must all just be hype." AGAIN, the implied response has been by the MobleyMob here (of which there definitely IS one, that is equally vocal imo), is that the hype not only must be JUST hype.... but is in some way rationale for it only being hype. It might JUST be all hype. Mike Tyson could have been all and just hype. MJ could have been just hype. Marvel movies could have been just hype. Most great things are super hyped... not all, but most. But just because there is hype, doesn't mean it's all JUST hype. NVM the fact that Mobley is also hyped... he's mocked to go #2 by most mock drafts out there.
Who made assumptions? You're making assumptions that people made it out to be negative, not me, but you. You argued with @jiggyfly about this and assumed he took the negative when he never did. He simply said it was hyperbole (Like oooh he worked out with Curry!), who was using the positive stories as negative evidence? I don't know who else in the thread did so? I think his point was we don't know how Jalen Green will react to the NBA lifestyle so reading a bunch of articles about it isn't useful, it's just hype. I don't remember him using it to say it was a bad thing for Green? I think the point being made is the articles don't matter, people always have good things to say about a potential draft pick before a draft. I don't see anyone going "Oh, him being a hard worker is bad!" but the reality is, millions of dollars later, praise later, maybe he doesn't work as hard? No one knows. Not everyone stays hungry. Huh? Tyson, Jordan, Marvel movies, not hype. (Well, Marvel movies are subjective) Hype by definition is promotion my dude. That's all it is. Tyson being a world champ and MJ being the goat isn't hype. It's a fact that's happened. Having a bunch of articles about how Green could be the next Kobe IS HYPE. It simply is. Yes it does look suspicious because he's getting more of it than Cade and Mobley, that's a fact too, the guy has his own documentary. So yes, I do start to believe that his agent and team are being very media focused in building his image and name, all power to them, he has a better promo team than the rest of the draft that much is sure. THIS IS SEPARATE THOUGH FROM HIS QUALITY AS A PROSPECT AND PLAYER THOUGH! That is hype. It's a natural reaction that sometimes hyped players will be more scrutinized because the promotion of that player is telling everyone to come look, come watch, come see what he's about because he's the next _______ ! When ESPN was playing Lebron James high-school games? That's hype. Lebron James going on to win MVP and championships, not hype, reality. "But just because there is hype, doesn't mean it's all JUST hype." This quote is the key here...hype is just hype, period. It's just promotional stuff to get you excited about someone or something. It doesn't mean that someone or something will be good. Hyped players fail all the time in various sports, hyped things fail in various medias, I'm still pissed Cyberpunk 2077 was a buggy mess for instance and that game was hyped for literal years. Greg Oden was hyped to the moon for how much that was worth...and on all the same character stuff and the injuries broke him and killed all his motivation and desire. I don't know man, the point is I don't know how much I take from "He's so driven!" articles. We do get that every year. It's not a slight against Green it's just a reality that top prospects always get hyped.
Who made what assumptions? I'm responding to assumptions y'all have made about me -eg. that I think articles = 100% truth. If you're talking about the implication that so much hype might be negative, that implication has been made in this thread. And part of the reason you know such implications are being implied, is because when one responds with "nobody is saying the articles/interviews 100% mean anything", we move on to non-sequiters like "what about the money and NBA lifestyle?" Eg... ANOTHER question which is MORE of a question for Mobley, than Green. It makes no sense. But there are more than just implied negative posts about the hype... just not digging them up. Want to talk about Green's defense... YOU KNOW, the PART where he actually has A LOT more questions than Mobley... absolutely. Lol. But the ENTIRE PREMISE of the "what about his mentality", "what about the $$", "what about the lifestyle", "was he smart enough to make it to college" ... not brought up by me but in response to the absurdity of the questions .... makes no sense. These are all BIGGER QUESTION MARKS for Mobley than for Green. Right, so let's move this discussion over to the Mobley thread, where they are much bigger question marks Maybe you weren't alive/old enough back then. Tyson was the epitome of hype. Not in a bad way. Just that he was a promotion machine. As was MJ. As were the Marvel movies. As if everything... promotion! You dialed right into my point. The greatest usually have the most hype... not that it's the be all end all. Literally nobody said it wasn't. Why are we doing this AGAIN?? Again, we've been over this. Hype does not equal 100% truth. yes... duh. But it is also not true to say every lotto player is hyped, nor in the same way. No, they do matter. They may be wrong, or not fully true, but they should absolutely be taken into consideration, and they are. And when I say "they", I mean the opinions of those around the prospect. NBA teams do LOTS of due diligence around this. See above, discussed, more of a question for Mobley than Green.
I feel Cade will and should be number 1. The one point that I liked was Green might play with a chip on his shoulder, if he goes at number 2. Green is 60, Mobley 40 for me. Suggs is the dark horse for the Rockets.
There where several posters saying he was not about me and was humble. You can believe what you want.
That's exactly my point bur some seem to think Green is immune to that because of what he says in interviews and what's in the stories. I did not say Mobley could not be affected also, I am not the one claiming anything going forward with these guys,. So again what point are you trying to make?
I don't see how questions like "What about money?" and the NBA lifestyle aren't legit concerns though or questions to ask. I don't think it is MORE relevant than Mobley? Like Jalen spent a month in a Gleague bubble, people act like he was paid millions and was experiencing the NBA lifestyle which...we know, can involve distractions like strip clubs and parties and events...he was in a bubble. He didn't experience the NBA lifestyle, neither did Mobley, but acting like Green has more experience than Mobley because he was paid some money...disagree. Mobley was a star at USC, yall really think he didn't have any distractions that a NBA player wouldn't? I think it's completely fair to ask either way though and not inherently negative. You're talking about hype AFTER success though. Green hasn't achieved a damn thing as a professional basketball player. He's achieved more than most that pursue the dream to be sure but he's achieved literally nothing as a professional. If we agree that hype is irrelevant to how good a player might be then why are we trying to make Green's hype more relevant? It's just hype. You saying "It's not 100% true but this time it is different!" when it isn't. Guys get hyped all the time and still fail, it's just hype. Not everyone is going to buy into it. Consideration by who? NBA teams can just have private conversations with Green and coaches around Green, why would they take 3rd party information when they can get first party information? I sure hope Stone isn't making his decision based on Kelly Iko articles. Yeah, don't see it like that. The NBA is a different monster that can't be compared to the NCAA or Gleague bubble. If anything Mobley had more on his plate since he was a student as well (and reportedly a very good one) while Green spent a month in a gleague bubble. Either way, the NBA is something else entirely different and can't be simulated in either environment.
How did you get that I think Green is immune? I specifically said we don't know how these guys will turnout when they get money. What we do know is Green got paid 500,000 last year and his work ethic still seems to be strong. I guess it's possible, maybe even probable Mobley got paid that much at USC.
I'm #GreenGang but this concerns me a bit. Video is time-stamped. Isaiah Todd and JG have a conversation about Jalen's focus on the court. "I be worried about other s*** on the court" - JG
