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Jazz Great John Stockton did his own research

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  1. saleem

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    A very good writer at the Salt Lake Tribune may be feeling some heat for calling Stockton out.
     
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    The government wants to make anybody against the vaccine as crazy. I dont trust the government either and agree with Stockton
     
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    From the article, he expressed some doubts about the effectiveness of the vaccines before they were even released. That, in itself, doesn't make him anti-vax, and it doesn't even mean that he didn't get himself vaccinated once they were available (my guess is he did, just like most everyone I know who expressed similar doubts last year). Unless he comes out and says he's against COVID vaccines, I wouldn't assume that's the case.
     
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    It's true. But as I live in Utah, I will say most of the people that live in the metro area here (Salt Lake City) just dismissed Stockon as another silly celebrity opinion. As usual the conspiracy theorists increase as you get further out of town into smaller areas. But overall there has been minimal news coverage or conversation about this here... blessedly.
     
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    The government doesn't have to do anything. Being against any science that's as firmly established as vaccines means you're either insane or a complete moron.
     
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    The science isn't always honest. The government has historically been guilty of committing atrocities against its own ppl, ESPECIALLY african americans.
     
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    Well i agree with his skepticism. He's not crazy
     
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    So many shallow haters out there that come to bash. My entire household is vaccinated but I'm still skeptical and wouldn't be surprised that with the vaccination there were other alterier motives. It would be a great opportunity for the government to exercise when most aren't the wiser. Tracking serums & etc.
     
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    You don't agree the US went too far in shutdowns?? You're the problem.
     
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    In general, no, but I understand why people might have a different opinion.
     
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    How about the purpose of lockdowns supposedly to "save lives"? If that's the case, why did Bill Gates who had a big hand in dictating govt policy, come out to say "now we don't want a lot of recovered people" ?

    In 2020, we have witnessed the greatest transfer of wealth from the little guys towards the elite billionaries. In economics terms, this is the greatest ever disruptive economy and regulatory capture. Every year, CNBC awards "the top 50 disruptor" to tech firms who successfully destroy traditional systems and achieve digital take-over and concentration of power through big data. In 2020, the clear winner is the crony take-over by the gang of big-tech through the use of "emergency" policy power. This is called regulatory capture.

    Bill Gates, Eric Schmidt, Klaus Schwab, World Economic Forum, and the like have been the main players in dictating government policies, and making governments order lockdowns, they even collaborated on a rehearsal of such things including lockdown, news narrative control, and a cute coronavirus plushtoy souvenir at the Event 201 in New York, october 2019.

    They can get away with this power-move because they've convinced you that the kill/economic pain is necessary to "save lives". However, such people have on multiple occasions clearly stated their intent of lockdown and vax ID, such as the following Gates interview back in March 2020. What he means is that, if everyone "recover" too early, then there will not be an excuse for them to impose lockdown and a medical apartheid :

    TED Connects,Episode 2 ,2020 march 24,hosted by head of TED Chris Anderson
    《 How we must respond to the coronavirus pandemic》
    https://www.ted.com/talks/bill_gates_how_we_must_respond_to_the_coronavirus_pandemic
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe8fIjxicoo

    @33:45
    now we don't want to have a lot of recovered people, you know. To be clear we're trying, through the shutdown, in the United States, to not get to 1% of the population infected.

    We're well below that today, but with exponentiation, you could get past that three million. Um.. um… I believe we will be able to avoid that with having this economic pain.

    Eventually, what we'll have to have is certificates of who is a recovered person, who is a vaccinated person, because you don't want people moving around the world -- where you'll have some countries that won't have it under control, sadly -- you don't want to completely block off the ability for those people to go there and come back and move around. ”

    There's also a popular saying: YOU ARE NOT A DOCTOR, what do you know?

    Bill Gates is a big-tech corporatist through-and-through, and then a policy advocate. He is certainly not a doctor. Who is? Inventor of PCR test, Kary Mullis
     
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    Kary Mullis, the inventor of the PCR test, who won the 1993 nobel prize for inventing it. Is he qualified on the subject matter do you think? Is it worth considering his take?

    Kary has been a very vocal fellow against corruption matters in the medical industry. On the topic of the industry abuse of his invention, the PCR test, he had this to say:

    “PCR... is just a process that's used to make a whole lot of something out of something, that's why it's not, it doesn't tell you that you're sick and it doesn't tell you that the thing you ended up with really was going to hurt you or anything like that”

    @3:10:Maker Kary Mullis over PCR tests


    We've all heard how the PCR is gold standard for testing infectious disease, thus it is the one tool that had the power to dictate who must shutdown and who NOT to shutdown via government's emergency power?

    Doesn't it all add up?

    There are thousands upon thousands of scientists who have been vocal against this discrepancy, but you are not allowed to question the government and have scientific debates in the mainstream consciousness. On the side, the power that be also manage to promote wacky anti-government theories in order to group together and demonize the honest and legitimate scientists who dared to point out corruption. Many see this as the era democracy is fading into doom.

    If anyone is interested, I can share about the science too, it's fairly clear and simple imo how this thing was abused and manipulated to trick the world. However, the emotional blackmail is psychologically difficult for some folks, a lot of people are not ready to face challenging realities, so they tend to ignore them and prefer to go back to the bubble where a lie must repeat everyday so it becomes the truth you're not supposed to stray from.
     
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    gotta love it when someone thinks they've discovered the holy grail through youtube videos
     
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    It's quite an Interesting psychology: when you don't know how to respond, you reduce the speech of a Nobel prize winner, and the central characters to this world shutdown scheme into "youtube videos"

    As a reminder, Kary Mullis is the inventor of the PCR test, the root tool of this whole shutdown scheme; Gates is the principal funder and the main protagonist behind both the declaration and solution to a disaster which masterfully convinced you to agree to a shutdown of economy and destruction of countless livelihood for a year plus (and counting).

    They are both central actors to this world-changing scheme that had forcibly transformed the world.
     
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    You actually think he was saying we want people to die by succumbing to the virus rather than recovering?

    Watch the clip you linked to. He immediately said after that you want to limit the number of infected people (a lot of recovered people means there were a lot of infected people to begin with who can spread the virus). You shouldn’t just take sentences out of context like that.
     
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    Sorry for not being more clear, you may have misinterpreted my long-post. First, he clearly stated "NOW" we don't want a lot of recovered people. because, the govt will NEED an excuse to impose shutdown and then eventually the vax passport.

    the point is IF these big-tech folks are all about saving lives, he would WANT people to always "recover", regardless of how EARLY. Bill Gates clearly stated he prefer people to NOT recover too early.

    He wants the government shutdown to be the savior instead of natural immunity. He wants shutdown and vax ID, that's the goal. People recovering by themselves is clearly stated by Gates as UNWANTED.

    Does it make sense?

    Secondly, it should be clear to all by now that the PCR test, or a "case", doesn't tell you whether you're sick or not. The govt can manipulate the result at will. This is a political tool, not a medical tool. As explained by its inventor it's "just a process that's used to make a whole lot of something out of something, that's why it's not, it doesn't tell you that you're sick"

    Repeat: the PCR test IS UNRELATED to whether you're sick or not.

    "asymptomatic" people are healthy people, that also means people are already immune naturally to whatever the disease are out there. On May 14th, CDC changed a rule to stop counting positive cases for vaxxed people as cases, then you'd see the vax'ed case drop. That's how they force the result they want.

    here :
    Remember back when asymptomatic persons are forced to be classified as a covid case? Now, with the new rule, vaccinated people with covid positive test are not allowed to be reported into the database UNLESS they’re hospitalised or dead. That means, even if you get SICK, after vax, you will not be counted in the big data. This is to “help maximise the quality of data”.

    https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html
    quote:
    Identifying and investigating hospitalized or fatal vaccine breakthrough cases

    CDC transitioned from monitoring all reported vaccine breakthrough cases to focus on identifying and investigating only hospitalized or fatal cases due to any cause. This shift will help maximize the quality of the data collected on cases of greatest clinical and public health importance.”
     
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    This thread certainly took a turn.
     
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    I don’t think it does. It seems like you’re filling in a lot of words that he never said.

    The plain meaning of what he said is that he wanted to emphasize the goal isn’t to maximize the number of “recovered” people but rather to minimize the number of “infected” people. A strategy of trying to get as many people infected and then recovered as early as possible was rightly criticized by most health experts, IMO. Minimizing the spread while accelerating vaccine development and deployment was the right approach for saving lives.
     
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