IMO, when you're drafting that high, you should always look to draft someone who you think will be a starter. Mobley wouldn't be starting here for a while. Green, Cade and Suggs would.
Im sure you and I see Jalen Green differently. (By the way, Stone would be wise to view your postings, don't sell yourself short......all of us with a grain of salt) I see Harden being a very good shooter, developed a step back 3 to draw the defender to the 3-pt line, then drives easier, surveys the terrain again, kicks out or puts up a layup, floater, mid range shot. Averaged 34 points per game last partially drawing the could and converting the free throw. So what does Green bring to the table? Same. 37% three point shooter on more than 5 attempts per game, possesses step back 3, quicker first step than the average bear per all opponents/Coaches/Scouts, possesses the mid range, floater, layup, dunk ability. Will get fouled and convert many a free throw. My wanting him to gain 15 to 20 pounds will assist in absorbing the contact plus the foul. 30 to 34 points a game by age of 21 or 22. Because in today's lighter version of basketball Green doesn't need to be at 215 pounds to play shooting guard. Potential All Star year in and year out. Problems with his defense are biting on the opponent's jab step step too easily. He needs to trust his supper and lateral quickness and quick feet/hands. Focus on opponents waist line.....not head takes or foot work. Those things can be deceiving and get him off balance. Team communication....listen to teammates announce where the screen is coming from. Defensive issues are easy fixes. Why would I take Care first: because of team leadership, BBIQ, size, ability to create, score from all 3 levels plus FT's. All Star potential year in and year out....of day one. Cade in Silas system will be off the charts. Cade to Kenyon would increase Martin's points higher per game while drawing the gravity of the defense. Hitting Martin for backdoor cuts along the baseline. But don't sell Jalen short on that as well. I've seen some great passing from Green as well. So Jalen is a great fit in the Silas scheme. Mobley I thinks gets a max of 19 points a game eventually....career average 16 points a game. Maybe one All Star appearance. Injured often.
Why wouldn’t he be starting? He’s too weak? Because of Christian Wood? If Mobley is that guy, then Wood will get traded. u should look to draft someone who u think will be a star
Cade Green Suggs Rockets need to come away from this draft with one of those three. My preference in that order. But I’d take Mobley if those three are gone. And if they can somehow get back into the lottery for another high quality player they should explore those options.
Then Green and Cade. The rest will be considered top tier role players. Which is still good. Just not as good as drafting one of the stars.
Like Durant, the guy is 7 feet tall with arms reaching the ceiling. NO ONE is going to block his shot. Swing away.....shoot for the fences. The logic is based off of one Terrence Jones in the season of 15/16. It was a hot steamy summer much like it is today. Ok, it wasn't summer. Anyway, as the story goes, young Terrence Jones was due to go into free agency at season's end. Do you know what young Mr. TJ shot from 3? Well let me tell you kid, but be ready to hold on to your blanket: it gets graphic! *stats per basketball-reference.com Terrence Jones (15/16) First 26 games........1.7 (3PA's)............40.0% (3P%) Next 10 games (me screaming at TV, if you shoot 40% from 3.....shoot the d@#$ ball) games 27 thru 37............2.0 (3PA's)........22.7% (3P%) Rockets system as I heard Rudy T, then McHale and then D'Antoni preach: our system is predicated on someone driving, kicking out, swing the ball to open player for 3. Don't pass the ball if you are open (Lin). It was meant for you to take the open shot. TJ may claim he was never open; but I saw him open and pass on the shot. Settled for dribbling a few steps and taking a contested 16 footer. So, your theory of shooting more should have stayed at 40%......it did not. Next 10 games Games 38 thru 48..............1.1 (3PA's).............16.7% (3P%) I won't include the last two games because TJ refused to shoot or focus. 0% So, season was 40% but ended up 1.6 (3PA's)......31.6% (3P%....cut out last 2 gms) In 16/17 (Bucks/Pels):.....1.5 (3PA's).........25.3% (3P%). ________________________ I suspect TJ was instructed to take one 3 early, if it went in take another. No worse than 50% on that game...... possibility of 100% for that game. If he missed that first attempt; hands in pocket don't shoot another. I suspect Mobley used this same philosophy this season. With one hit wonders we don't know if Mobley likes shooting 3's, hates them (only shot them to improve draft stock?) will he refuse to shoot them in the season like TJ.......if the scouting report shows Mobley only shoots 1.2 three's in the pros, and he shot and missed in the first quarter; teams may leave him open in the final seconds of a game. Thinking he doesn't want to hurt his average by missing a 2nd one. That makes things tougher on everyone else as an extra defender sits in the paint. If Mobley says he was guarded, but film shows he was open quite a bit.......? Bucks coach said recently on Giannis, I would rather Giannis shoot 1-9 from 3 than 2-2 and stopping. I agree to an extent. O for 4 and I cap that; but I want the player confident and attempt to get the range during the game rather than 1 or no attempt and expect the final shot of the game not to be clanked. There is some give and take with Westbrook/Wall/Simmons/Giannis. We want the threat of a 3 to hopefully draw the defender up. Players today need to always be working on their 3's. Kenyon Martin didn't give up. 1000 attempts a day should be every NBA player. But Mobley has to like basketball to put in that kind of effort. P.S. Beal scored 30.5 points per game in 19/20 and Beal scored 31 points per game this year. Since I have Green as a better Beal...why I have him 30 to 34 points in Green best years. Beal is more of a shooter than driver. Only in the last two years has he received more than 6 FT's per game. Green is a driver/scorer. He will hit that average probably in year 3 when he gets around 195 pounds. He won't have this teenage body forever...... eventually he will fill out. Then look out league. But you have to claim his rights this off-season.
Mobley's jumper is even weaker than T. Jones'. Mobley isn't a stick, but he needs to be at 240 lbs. He can be a Rudy Gobert plus. He isn't AD or KG.
I respect your opinion. BUT if you think Green will be a 30 ppg scorer then he is almost a lock hall of famer and should be the #1 pick. In 19 seasons Kobe averaged over 30 twice. DWade did it once in his career. James harden had 3 such seasons. I push him down because I think he tops out closer to 25 or 27 with little else. We'll see. I'm not sure I would rely on one instance with TJ as "proof" Mobley is such a player or was doing that. Look, I agree that Green will be the better scorer but I think Mobley makes up for that and surpasses Green with his defense and I think he will be an above average distributor for a big. Not jokic but 3 or 4 assists per game.
Unless you are getting a unicorn-type big, go with guards. For guards, ball-handling/play-making ability comes first, scoring second, ie pick elite play-making over elite scoring (but not good play-making over elite scoring). Scoring ability is more likely to develop further during career, and is an easier skill to find via trade/ free agency. Shooting ability in a top pick guard/forward is a must, not something you hope to develop. If you cannot shoot well enough for your position, you better have an elite set of skills without other flaws / question marks. Picks that can contribute quickly have higher trade value in first 2 years, so give teams more roster flexibility. High upside is great, but you may lose out on interesting trade possibilities, if the player is still developing, not getting enough playing time and thus is under the radar / underrated. Fit with rest of roster matters. Of course BPA is the right strategy, but if the pick can’t get time on the court or doesn’t have a system and other players that fit, they won’t be able to show their value or develop. See Bagley. Fit with Wood and KPJ needs to be considered, we want to keep increasing their trade value, even if we decide they are not necessary part of our future. Thus, we better have a good plan if we go with Suggs or Mobley. Otherwise, they either won’t develop well or if they do, they may hurt Wood’s/KPJ’s trade value.
Two things I think should be discussed about fit: 1) Fit should be a consideration unless you're talking about dropping in tiers of prospects. If a tier 1 guy isnt as good a fit as a tier 2 guy you go with the tier 1 guy regardless and figure out how to make it work. BUT, if deciding between two tier 1 (or 2 or whatever) then fit should definitely be a criterion. 2) I think if the Rockets get one of Cade, Green or Suggs then defense and shooting should be priorities with their next 2 picks. If Mobley or Kuminga ends up being the guy then I think they should look for a scorer/creator among those 2 picks (Josh Christopher for example).
Damn y'all we almost there!!! The Draft Lottery will basically be our NBA Finals for the next several years. I'm pumped. Gonna break out the good bourbon for that night! What time is the Draft Lottery?
You're right. Clutch City! The DR34M! "Thats my #1 pick!" Ohhh I tell ya Olajuwon has the NBA Lottery..just bamboozled. 8:30 Eastern time
On the Mobley aspect, it concerns more than one scout. I've heard it several times. They don't push the envelope, but question it. For a number 2 pick......I'm passing. I've been through it with Royce White telling the Rockets flying would not be an issue. Saw Fultz have anxiety issues. Guys like Omeka Okafor and David Robinson have been questioned on their love of basketball or commitment and faired ok. But then there are the Kawme Browns out there that fail. Me personally, I see too many red flags with Mobley. I would rather go Green, Suggs or Kuminga. Kuminga ceiling is probably higher than Kenyon Martin Jr at SF while being able to move him to the 4. Rather have 6'8" Kuminga play 4 than 6'6" Kenyon. Or move back. _______________________ Kobe and MJ and D-Wade played in a different era where they got physically abused. Now not so much. Players get called for flagrante too easily now a days. This is why an under 200 pound guard can excel. One scout mentioned Mobley putting on weight to play center.......said it will probably take away what makes him special. The SF skills. Will lose some of his speed. With Green I don't worry about him losing speed putting on 15 to 20 pounds. He has like no body fat. More than likely Green will be putting on muscle, which translates to possibly greater speed and leaping ability as power is added. The only thing that is keeping Harden from scoring that 36 point range is Harden. He submissively bowed down to allow his buddy Westbrook to get his share and try to fit in. Once Green adds that muscle and starts to fill out, the sky's the limit. He already has that attack the rim engraved in his psyche. Now it's a question of what would you rather have? A dominant scorer that gets 30 points a night 4 assists at age 22 in Green? or Cade who gets 23 points a night but 9 assists at age 20? Both will be HOF's. Cade raises the production of all those around him. Everyone adds 3 to 4 points to their point totals as Cade brings the gravity of the defense to him.......more open lanes in the NBA than college. or the unstoppable scorer like Kobe, MJ, D-Wade.......all not as good as Green at 3's. Tough choice. I'm going with Cade/Porter combo.......but gladly settle on Green/Porter combo. I feel Porter needs a lot of touches to be productive and tap into his greatest self. Kinda tough when you have Wall and Eric Gordon coming back......plus Cade or Jalen Green. If Wall/Eric Gordon can't be moved and we draft Cade/Green; we may need to move Porter. I would hate to lose Porter; but his defensive stats are so poor. He definitely needs work on defense. If the Rockets fail to get top 4......of course you keep Porter.
Look, there are always going to be questions with every prospect. Professional talent evaluators miss every year on guys that drop and go on to have amazing careers and on guys that get overdrafted. I would seriously question anybody who claims to know whether Mobley will bust or whether anybody, including Cade Cunningham, is going to the hall. That is entirely speculative on both fronts. I assume you are saying if everything goes according to plan and breaks their way? I would so much rather eat Wall and Gordon's salary for the next 2 years than move KPJ. The Rockets rebuild needs to be sustainable for the long term and not a one or two season flash in the pan. Such a proposal is short sighted in my view. Again, I respect your opinion of else I would just have kept on scrolling.
people getting upset that we are comparing Green to MJ/Kobe but no one bats an eye when D-rock says Mobley is the next KD. I mean you're comparing Mobley who has work ethic concerns to a dude who had one of the most insane work ethics in the history of the game. Also I don't really see the comp AT ALL. Here is rookie garnett torching the celtics : even in this clip you can see how freaking physical garnett was even with his small frame. routinely sealing off his man and embracing the contact.
