Chinese Virologist post report claiming virus made in Wuhan lab

You realize the problem with the first 3 words of this article?

 

negative. Science stands for Truth, capital T

 

it's amazing this simplest of explanations was so casually dismissed to begin with

"sure, this dangerous novel virus originated in the city where there is one of a handful of labs experimenting with them. But don't you dare say it came from the lab"

 

Science doesn't make suggestions

 

well technically science isn't a "thing" either

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reification_(fallacy)

 

/r/selfawarewolves

 

Except it's not the simplest explanation when you consider the facts none so far. It's a plausible explanation and one that I agree shouldn't have been dismissed out of hand but it's certainly not the only or the one that fit's Occam's razor.

Consider that yes Wuhan has a virology lab but it also has a market where the first known cases were discovered. A market that held exotic animals from not only rural parts of the PRC but from other countries in poor conditions. Many of these animals and where they came from have bat populations and are have been known to be vectors and reservoirs of viruses. Further Wuhan is a major transit center that ties parts of the south of the country, where bats are, to other parts of the country. Based on there is a strong likelihood it could've arisen from a zoonotic source.

While the evidence of a lab leak is compelling and worth investigating it is circumstantial. On top of that as much as dismissing it was driven by politics it is being driven by politics too. Whether you feel the PRC is a corrupt, undemocratic and untransparent regime that isn't proof of a lab leak in itself.

 

It didn't come from the wet market. The wet market origin was even shot down by the Chinese CDC months ago. If the virus came from outside Wuhan, it needed to jump from bat to an intermediary animal. Then it needed to jump from that animal to humans, probably multiple times in order to become transmissible between humans. Then it needed time to evolve inside humans to become well adapted like the current virus. That would leave a long trail of an evolving virus.

The only evidence we have right now is that the source of the pandemic is Wuhan and the virus that came out of Wuhan is highly adapted to humans. It could have started and evolved elsewhere, and then to Wuhan, but there is literally no evidence that that happened.

 

Because "the Theory" was not based on science, and evidence. It wasn't asking the question of whether or not there was an accident or incompetence in protocols that led to a lab worker being exposed and spreading the virus.

The "Theory" was immediately political propaganda for people like yourself and dimwits like Tom Cotten to drive some ridiculous misinformation that Dr. Fauci, the Democrats, and the Communist Chinese Party all got together, and created a "PlanDemic" for the sole purpose of ruining Trump's chances at re-election.

It's exactly what people like yourself would insinuite instead of just relying on facts, evidence, and reason. Many people including myself never dismissed and actually expressed concern about breach of protocol/incompetence at the Wuhan Lab, and have always said it should be investigated so China can face the consequences if their lack of protocol and incompetence led to this global catastrophe. However the evidence.... BECAUSE OF THE GENETIC SEQUENCING, and data that we had all pointed towards the market, and natural origins. That still hasn't changed FYI, but IT IS A GOOD THING that the Biden admin is still wanting to investigate regardless.

So again you are doing the thing that Trumpers do where they create a narrative for what THE WANT Democrats to be saying and doing so they fit your narrative that Democrats and the media, and the global cabal or whatever are all out to get you poor little conservatives who the world has wrong.

Grow up. I won't play the part you want us to play as your oppressor. Stop whining and come back to reality.

 

The PRC themselves likely destroyed up possible evidence at the wet market when they rushed to clean it up without a thorough investigation. It also didn't need necessarily to jump form a bat to another animal. It is possible that it came from a bat and infected a human as there are places in the PRC with lots of bats. It's also possible some form of the virus was already circulating in humans.

Also as we've seen in just the past few months the virus does appear to be able to mutate rapidly. That would show that a jump from humans to animals might not take as long or as many times as thought.

Again Wuhan is a major transit hub with easy access from many parts of the PRC to it. The idea that there would be a long trail leading to Wuhan ignores how easy it is to travel from Wuhan and how much movement of people, goods and animals goes to Wuhan. There is plenty of evidence that similar viruses are in other parts of the PRC. The argument that it was lab made is based off of that samples of similar viruses were found in nature and brought to the Wuhan virology lab.

 

you may be conflating lab made and lab manipulated. highly likely this was an existing virus, manipulated in the lab, and then leaked from a low security environment. whether such a leak was malicious or not, does not excuse china from responsibility.

the market is a red herring, a convenient cover story for the inept/malicious lab, and something for @Sweet Lou 4 2 to cling to other than Winnie the Flu's teat.

 

Bat corona viruses don't really transfer directly to humans. This is why intermediary species are needed to make the jump. It's possible that this happened with the guano miners though which would be another can of worms.

Viruses mutate quickly, but that is a different thing. They need to evolve to make species jumps and to become more virulent. After it makes the jump, scientists expect it to evolve fairly quickly and then stabilize when on average the mutations make the virus less effective rather than more effective. This virus was so effective from the jump that it has functionally changed very little. Many people point to this as the main evidence for a lab leak.

I think you missed my point. There should be a trail of the virus evolving even in the human population if you can't find the animal precursor. There is no sign of this pre sars-cov-2 virus yet.