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Rockets legend to decline player option

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Carl Herrera, Jun 3, 2021.

  1. juanm34

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    I feel bad for Tilman’s casino and restaurant employees that will get laid off to cover the cost of Walls contract.
     
  2. dmoneybangbang

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    Again.... CP3 and Lowry are better and I’d say they are tier 1 guards for the off-season. But they are old and injury prone.

    Of course you’d have to attach a pick to move John Wall during this off-season. He may turn into an asset if you wait until the last year of his contract. But if we keep our top 4 pick then I’d rather not have Wall around, especially since it’s most likely we’d draft a ball handler/scorer (just since there are more of them). We have the second or third most first rounds picks after the Harden trade, cash in a late one.
     
  3. napalm06

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    Fun fact, you'd have to fire 2,600 people who make $35K a year to match the remaining value of John Walls contract in a year
     
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    Yeah, Fertitta screwed up royally with his LTS moves and the horrible Westbrook trade. But what I find most galling is this narrative he puts forth that "this (losing/rebuilding period) is what inevitably happens after you go all in for a few years to try to get a championship and it just didn't work out." He did not go all in. I'd find it a lot more tolerable if he just admitted to ruining a good team with his bad decisions, said he learned from it and moved on from there.
     
  5. DonatelloLimestone

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    We sat john wall, we can ask him to be a veteran getting paid 44 millino and be professional ,we can send him home. We can do all that to get rid of him without including a valuable pick that not only can turn into a good player but mainly its incredibly valuable to have as an asset. Remember harden was traded for just 4 of em, why give 25 percent of harden's value just to get rid of wall. Send him home if we want to for the year, we said we 'd 'get uncomfortable with harden' do it with john wall who has 0 clout and a case.

    Given we are rebuilding totally, all those picks and all those assets add to our hope. Given that we wont be spending money or need cap space next year to throw away a pick just to tell him to go home is not a good idea for me during a rebuilding phase. Old and injury prone will apply to wall significantly maybe more so than tose guys with his injuries and his reliance on being athletic.

    We aren't winning a title next yea,r rwe won't even have all our foundational pieces, giving up assts for a non basketball reason is what we did all too much with tillman, with wall I would not do it now when he can sit out if he wants to be a nuissance but he knows he has little value he can be a 6tht man a mentor or the tank commandor, but giving up assets when we have no urgency rather than 'i'd prefer not ot have him around' is not a good enough reason for a team who needs all the assets it can get to give up a pick for the guy imo. Hope it happens, but i would no include any assets especialyl when its of very little benefit for us next year especialyl and then just after that one season hes an expiring. Its not an ideal situaiton but worth the wait
     
  6. tycoonchip

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    Yes more threads that are like salt on an open wound! The stinging just doesn't stop!
     
  7. DatRocketFan

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    Ah yes ignore the sources that has the owner's outright saying he wanted to trade cp3 bc of how expensive it was and dig through a rabbit hole to find a dude that paints harden as the person at fault. Stupidity. If u want to believe that Harden ruined our chance for a ring instead of a cheap ass owner more power to u.
     
  8. DatRocketFan

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    That's what I find funny. We have tilman defenders when this cheap ass owner never the fact went all in, always trying to avoid luxury tax, when u have James fking harden. If u can't all in on Harden, I don't think this owner will ever do it. I can't see us winning a ring on a budget.
     
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  9. alethios

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    Fertitta was hugely successful by his standards. He bought a 65-win team and turned it into a 17-win team.
     
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  10. DonatelloLimestone

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    This is key. I do think even myself as a paying fan that had prices raised on me and as a loyal houstonian if you were just candid, if you were honest. even the nuggets owner who was th owners son said he made mistakes and they had to learn from his first years. humitliy and honesty goes a long way in ANY field especially in sports where its so emotionally and loyally charging in the attachments from the local community. he honestly could've said nothing and no one wants to discuss the owner, the onus would've fallen on the gm and we'd all move forward.

    but he wanted to be the face, plaster himself in the murals larger than james harden. Go on tv weekly, take interviews and lie about the MDA openly, try to put it all on James and Darly, lie that we went all in when 90 percent of our moves were cost cutting, he even went and say we caccidentaly got under the cap while everyone in the league was laughing bc did signficant gymnastics , lost assets, picks just to avoid tax. A move that only benefits the owner, didn't help us for the future, didn't help the gm, players, or fans.

    Yea he isn't doing himself any favors with his PR philosophy and as you said if he was honest, humble, or even just heeded his own advice and shut up and listen we would not be talking about the guy. You have to be a unique ******* to be apart of the conversation when talking about your team, its a small group with Donald Sterling, Sarver, Dolan, and now maybe the fastest on that list, Tilman Fertitta.
     
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  11. DonatelloLimestone

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    hang in there, in 18 days we got the draft lottery. the conversation will change to that and this season's page will officialyl be turned!
     
  12. DonatelloLimestone

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    Yep, maybe in the 90s, maybe 00s. but the new nba economics, the par is raising. Not just on spending when you have your window, but facilities ,personell in staff, culture, etc. The new tv deal will only make the money larger, contracts bigger and our over leveraged owner gives us a disadvantage compared to most new age billionaire owners sadly.

    Rich paul on what he advised to anthony davis:

    "'I educated [Davis] on why I thought the team wouldn't be . . . ' He paused. 'All athletes are competitive and confident, until reality sets in. And I educated him on things.'"

    Paul laid out what superstars need to see from teams to give a long-term commitment.

    "You either need your team in place, or you need flexibility, assets, money, and the ability to make decisions. And, more important, the willingness to pay the [luxury] tax ... This ain't 'Moneyball.'"

    Paul was referring to a team either being ready to compete, having future flexibility to improve the team, and being willing to pay the so-called luxury tax for spending over the salary cap. According to Chotiner, the Pelicans were not willing to pay it at the time and thus kept their payroll below a certain level.

    So now Tilman has pissed off the coaches agents after HE VOLUNTEERED to goto the press and lie about MDA's contract

    He lost reputation, trust of many of the players agents the way not only he cheaped out on harden and paul's window, but also of GMs, presidents, and more so how he went to the press and tried to blame it on them too.

    The landry Rockets are on the bottom of the barrel
     
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    Bro. We SAW Harden pouting at midcourt when CP had the ball against GS. We saw the body language. If you’re acting as if we didn't see all of this before our own eyes you're delusional. Harden pretty much SAID it in his last press conference when asked what we needed to do.


    This is all documented my guy lol
     
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  14. dmoneybangbang

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    Okay Danny Ainge......

    A picks value is determined by its place.... a 24th pick is far less valuable than 14th pick which is far less valuable than the 4th. What about a pick during a year in which college, g league, and international players had a Covid season?

    I have no problem giving up a late pick to move John Wall for the right deal. You should have no notions John Wall will be playing the veteran guard after watching him last year and our ball handlers' development (especially a top 4 pick) would do well without Wall around.
     
  15. dmoneybangbang

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    Go read Clutch's article or listen to his podcast.... Harden wasn't too happy with CP3, along with Tilman.

    Harden isn't blameless in this, but obviously the owner shares the most blame.
     
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    A lot of those comments about CP3 were true back then. He was a total chump in 2018-19 season, especially playoffs. Of course he got motivated and got his **** together once he got traded.
     
  17. YOLO

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    nah he was already motivated prior and was already prepping for what would have been his 3rd season with the rockets. and if he was an apparent "total chump" I wonder what the guy he was traded for would be considered because he was worse. and add picks to that. just pure stupidity
     
  18. mfastx

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    I didn't mention anything about the trade lol.
     
  19. YOLO

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    you sure did at the end of your post
     
  20. sealclubber1016

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    I so glad this f**ker Tilman got bit in the ass by this.

    Chris Paul is helping lead a team out of mediocrity and deep into the playoffs and will be off the books. Meanwhile the scrubs Wall/Westbrook are still owed 91 million dollars.

    When you include lost revenue to the team suddenly being trash, this deal has already cost him 100 million dollars...and counting.
     
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