Dame Lillard "I'm too solid for this weird azz era"

It's amazing how some people can call guys trash who have become the best in the world at what they do.

I guess it makes them feel better some how.

 

Well hell he's better than me. And from his podcast he's a really smart and nice guy. I'm just talking in the context of the NBA. In life no doubt he's a winner but you're never winning a championship with him as your #2. Trash is hyperbole but in context it's fitting.

 

He is not trash in context to the NBA calling him trash is not in context at all.

He is a top 20 guard in the NBA and some would say higher.

I just don't see the need to use hyperbole anyway it never actually fits.

 

In a vacuum maybe. But that's what I'm saying, he's a lot worse than people think he is. Make a list of everything CJ does well and you'd have a one item list. He can score. And his scoring comes from mid range 2s.


Before this year barely any 3s and way less layups and free throws you'd expect from someone who scores as much as he does. He drops 40 every now and then but his career high ppg is 23 while shooting around 17-19 FGA in the last 4 years. He maintains the average by sprinkling in some 8 pt 2/15 games every no and then. He's not super inefficient on average like Russ but put his mediocre efficiency together with his lack of 3s and FTs and you're not generating very many points per possession. And we're talking about his one and only STRENGTH. Now if you bring up the fact that he doesn't rebound, is a tiny and terrible defender, and is one of the biggest tunnel vision guys in the league and it's not pretty.


Hes definitely not as good as people act like he is. Maybe if he was on a super defensive team as the only scorer kinda like Rose this year or Mitchell he could kinda work. But the situation is especially bad beside Dame who's greatest strength is also scoring and is also a small guard and bad defender. As a Robin to Dame's Batman, he is most definitely trash.

 

I have no issue with any of this but it still does not make him trash.

That's my entire point nothing more, nothing less.

For some reason you have real impetus to calling him that and I don't understand why?

He did not ask to be the 2nd fiddle.

 

That's just the way people talk now bro, it's not that big a deal. I'll eat McDonald's and say I just ate a load of trash. That's just the terminology now.

What I will say though is that CJ is one of the most overrated players in the league. He's a gunner, nothing more, nothing less. He literally brings nothing to the table except scoring and not even efficiently at that. People act like he's a borderline all-star when he's basically just 22 points on 18 shots with atrocious defense. In 2021, that's something the kids would call trash.

 

Perhaps its just me but it seems like an over-reaction/strange to question someone's fandom and agenda simply because they don't remember the details of a game 7 vs the Clippers half a decade ago. Hell I sometime forget who won the past 5 superbowls and those are huge events in my household lol. Then again I never really pay much attention to someone else's fandom or agenda.

If i had to pick a pivotal playoff performance/moment for Harden it would probably be game 7 vs OKC in 2020 and the block shot. Maybe games 1 and 2 vs the Warriors in 2014-15. The Utah series wasn't memorable personally. My recollection of the Jazz were that they were outmatched, Harden had great games to start then decline and Capela dominating gobert.

Lastly yes its arbitrary. Peoples opinions are of course going to be subjective. Dame having multiple memorable huge shots/moments are going to affect how people judge his overall performance. Harden lacking those great moments is going to influence the perception of his resume.

 

If you have to question if Harden has had a signature playoff moment then yes I have to question it.

What was Hakeem's signature moment or Kobe's?

Does Lebron have a signature moment?

This is not about questioning your fandom but I don't understand how a fan can forget the game that propelled us into the WCF when nobody thought we could get that far before the season.

Harden has great moments in the playoffs he just is judged differently than other star players, which is my point.

 

Is Gordon better than Smart?

 

Thinking Harden doesn't have a defining or pivotal playoff performance/moment that a large portion of fans can point to isnt saying he hasn't performed well at times in the playoffs, nor does it mean one doesnt have personal favorite memories. Not recalling the details of a game 7 of when the game 6 was much more memorable is pretty normal in my view. I loved the OKC vs GS series in 2015-16 but mostly remember game 6 and little about the details of game 7. I admire those who can recall the details of hundreds of postseason games they watch.

As for memorable performances moments of Hakeeem... really??? Is this an actual question. Players like Hakeem, Lebron, Kobe, etc have playoff performances most of the NBA public will instantaneously point to. Along with accomplishments and titles, they shape their legend and image. Game winners, historic performances and epic game 7 are all hugely important in building the narrative of a player. That's just a fact IMO. Jordan's legacy wouldn't be as great without the flu game or the multiple game winners or historic performances - just as Dames reputations wouldn't be without his game winners and performances media, casual fans and the general public can immediately remember.

Harden can change the narrative of his postseason play by creating such a moment this playoffs. He has a great shot to as well. He's at the top of game, facing a personal rival (Giannis) and on the team favored to win the title.

 

That’s rich coming from someone that is permanently attached to Harden’s sac.

2nd best player? How about THE BEST player on the team and 3rd place in MVP voting results. Oh you forgot already? Or do you just pretend it never happened cause it was that bad? Yes, I’m talking about getting eliminated.... at home....by 40.... without Kawhi.

 

harden is currently leading the nba playoffs in defensive box plus minus

https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2021_leaders.html

 

Stotts out. I'm guessing CJs next. I doubt they'd trade Dame without trying to shake it up themselves first.

 

Stotts was there since the Brandon Roy, Pryzibbilla and G Oden era?

 

He solidly weird.

Wants Jason Kidd as his head coach.

lolololololollard

 

He wants Jason Kidd as HC? LOL

 

So if JKidd goes to boston does Lillard demand out? And if so does he demand a trade to OKC or another middling franchise since he hates super teams? I just dont get what hes trying to prove

 

"I don't switch teams to get a champiosnhip. But I'll switch the coach and my teammates until the conference finals come to me."

 

I don't understand the love with Jason Kidd in this league. HOF PG, but damn he was ass as a coach.

 

Yes it's an actual question name them?