Should History Class Not Stress That Our Culture Is Dominated By Western Civilization Values

so wait a minute . . . you don't take a values stand on issues like, say, slavery? and you avoid conveying the non-value neutral judgment "slavery is bad"? how exactly does this value-neutral teaching of history work?

 

please tell me you're joking

 

No you never take a value stand when teaching history you give the facts and let the students values and morals judge what took place.

When you just give the facts and cause and effect, its value-neutral, I don't see why this is strange for you.

 

I think that's a strangely naive view of teaching history. And I hope you realize that I teach history as well.

 

How is it Naive?

Please explain.

Where in the curriculum does it tell you take a value stand on any historical event?

What does it matter if you teach History?

 

it doesn't

 

Do you teach in a school? Because when I was in school they did exactly that.
And when students tried to critisize the past based on modern values we were told off. I know very well because I got in many heated debates with our teachers over that and got bad grades in my homework.

 

So you nothing else?

Why is it naive?

 

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/history/#RetHis

 

That's weak even for you.

Use you own words man.

 

I honestly don't want to waste words on you. it's just not worth it to me. If you can't see the values issues that are present in the teaching of history--or in the teaching of ANYTHING--then absolutely nothing I write is going to change the way you think. And I'm just not here in this world to try to change the way you think. So you'll have to keep struggling on your own, jigg. I've said before I think your heart is in the right place, but most of the time your brain takes you to the wrong place.

 

@pgabriel is the bus driver

he's taking Jaggy to school

@Os Trigonum

 

You honestly have no need to reply to me at all and it was you who started this discussion, so evidently you do want to waste words on me.

I never said I don't see the values issue that are present teaching of anything, I specifically said history, it's telling that you felt the need to misconstrue what I said.

What am I struggling with?

The fact that I don't agree with you means I am struggling?

You question my brain but your brain tells you to troll and spam all day and inject stuff political stuff into every discussion.

Your brain just told you to put an opinion piece about tariffs that had nothing to do with why prices are currently high.

What does that say about your heart and your head that people for the most part ignore you because they know it's no use to engage you because you are the board troll.

What does it say about your heart and your head that you think the Babylon Bee is something you should be reposting on a daily basis?

Talk about a brain being in the wrong place.

Once again when called out to use your words, you start with the the passive aggressive BS.

 

duly noted

 

What have you been missing.

I been saying it for months.

Should you check in with @tinman before you make a decision?

 

I should let @pgabriel clarify for himself, but I think you misunderstand him. When he talks about western values, I understand him to referencing this idea from the Enlightenment that there is a Western civilization. That they rediscovered ancient Greek philosophy, claimed it as their own heritage and then traced a civilizational line from the ancient Greeks to the Roman Empire to Western Europe, then on to their descendants in the colonies and nations born of colonialism. That's why we have the standard history curriculum that we do, teaching Greece and Rome in ancient history, then European history, the Enlightenment, then US history as a culmination and exporter of the Enlightenment ideals (democracy, equality, freedom, all that noise). That's the story we tell ourselves about where we come from.

Pgab, I'd say that's just another lens to see history through, like I suppose critical race theory or American Exceptionalism. I don't think they are necessarily incompatible. But asking that question and posing them as oppositional looks defensive or even reactionary, as though you object to the way we want to change how we think of ourselves. Enlightenment ideals are a part of our identity, so yeah I think we should be teaching some of that. But, the US is a melting pot (something else we like to say about ourselves) and now we have inheritances from many civilizations. Just by dint of all the races that have come, we do have African history and Mayan history and Chinese history and Islamic history and just about everything else. It probably is time for Western Civilization to let go of the monopoly a bit and recognize the rest of our heritage.

 

It's always been about the West side

 

Thread killer!

 

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