Tensions over Palestinian evictions in East Jerusalem boil over

This "war" is essentially a battle against a terrorist gang and the 4th strongest terrorist military in the world. If either side gave a damn about innocent people they would pick a battlefield and fight, but since one side could essentially wipe out the other with one missile it is ugly. If Israel cared about innocent life they would use on the ground troops, but that would be deadly price to pay. In the same way Hamas is willing to put their own people at risk so they do not pay a deadly price either. Really cannot stand the leadership all the way around, like everyone else in the world they only give a damn about interests, nothing else matters, innocent life is far down the list.

An ugly side of humanity in display.

 

All I can say is welcome to the New World Order

 

Netanyahu is a far more intelligent and sophisticated Israeli version of trump, in my opinion, but not nearly as bombastic. Like trump, Bibi is corrupt, so he shares that with him as well (along with the involvement, possibly, of certain members of his family). Also, like trump did in 2020 and does today if he can cheat his way back into the White House, Netanyahu desperately wants to stay in power, because the Israeli justice system has been breathing down his neck for quite some time. The current crisis is tailor made to help Bibi politically. Coincidence? There's a bridge over Lake Austin I'd like a crack at selling to those convinced that it is entirely coincidental.

Meanwhile, the people of Gaza and in Israel, both Arab and Jew, suffer the consequences.

 

lol... did you even click though to read the thread? In the very next tweet he says indeed there were Hamas offices there and goes further to note basically any journalistic organization operating in a situation like that will be compromised and will further compromise itself to conceal how compromised it is....

clearly you didn’t even read what you’re linking to. He’s saying he gave multiple examples of them being compromised in 2014... that he hasn’t written anything recently.... but that from the follow up tweets that from what he hears indeed it’s still going on.

you were confirming my point.

 

@JayZ750
Yea I was. I was giving the available update sicne the article was from before. I'm not trying to paint a one sided narrative, I'm not trying to paint some CNN/Fox just stick to one tribe especially with complex geopolitical issues. , thats kind of the point that I'm making in some other post.
I read his post and the articles, he made some good points and those absolutely should not have gone on. I can believe all the things that I cited and the evidence with israel, I can also not sit here and pretend hamas is a good actor, that the press still needs to continue to cover it not as a protagonist or antagonist which just seperates two people trying to prove their points, but just show the humanity there.

He does'nt say there are indeed offices, he said he has close sources that does feel that way and that the IDF would consider it strongly from a PR point before doing that if they didn't feel strongly. I'm Not "Against" you my man and most of the world isn't black or white to take a side like the media shows.

 

I don't believe that Palestinians have higher birth rate than the Israeli Haredi. In fact I doubt it is even half.
I believe the Haredi have like 7-9 children. How many do the West bank Palestinians have? 4?

 

Personally, I don't know the answer to this. This was cited in a passage from the former presidents book quoting the former israeili prime minister.
It seems his argument throughout is that ultimately that the settlements tmake israels safety, propsperity, and support worse than better.

The current prime minister, the longest serving ever,
has barely gotten by the the elections and then hasn't been able to win 4 or so in a row. Its fractured,- although i think they have a better system with many parties represented rather than just two like in america.

Hes also indicted by his own staff, people in his own party for corruption. He seems like his goal is to use these things to retain power and pander towards voting blocks rather than whats best for Israel.

However, His strong arm tactics are not winning the new modern age media. These guys maybe undervaluing modern media and cell phones an the internets availabiltiy to share this so you can't just have TV head pundits in your pockets. Likewise guys like Saudi are wondering why their antics with kashogi, let alone the atrocities they are committing in yemen also should be a war crime are getting so much criticism. Similarly, the viral spread and involvement of so many more people and voices amplified has led to issues that maybe many governments simply aren't courageous or too tied up to do like China and ughiyurs, myanmar and rhongiya. This is a great phenomenon where you can't sweep it under as much in the modern age. Given the levels of death and abuse the above perpetuated, I suppose they already have by the levels that it is , but better than ever before.

 

Are things slowing down or is there a media blackout in Israel and Palestine? It felt like a lot of info this weekend but not as much yesterday or this morning.

 

The censorship is breaking down? Now that Human Rights Watch and B'Tslem sp? the leading Israeli human rights group acknowledge that Israel is an Apartheid country it is getting harder to maintain.
And now MSNBC, too!
https://mondoweiss.net/2021/05/apar...stream-thanks-to-aoc-bush-oliver-reid-velshi/

 

Bibi is a moderate in Israel as it has moved so far right and into full scale Apartheid. The so called "Centrist" opposition runs about bragging how many Gazans they killed in the last massacre.

 

At the moment the US has no sway on Hamas and while Israel is our ally and gets aid they often don't listen to the US presidents and have even gone against the US in the 1967 war and the Suez Canal incident. Biden likely can't do much as he is both hamstrung by continuing strong support of Israel in both political parties but also by moves that Trump made towards Israel.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/17/us/politics/trump-israel-policy.html?searchResultPosition=1
Where Biden Is (and Isn’t) Turning Back Trump’s Israel Policies
After a sharp rightward shift by the U.S. on the issue, President Biden must decide how far to move back to the left.

On its way out the door in late 2016, the Obama administration sought to draw a line in the sand on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Rather than block a U.N. Security Council resolution condemning the expansion of Israeli settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, the U.S. abstained. Days later, Secretary of State John Kerry warned in a parting address that the possibility for a two-state solution was dimming as Israeli settlers encroached further into Palestinian-held land.

“We cannot properly defend and protect Israel if we allow a viable two-state solution to be destroyed before our own eyes,” Mr. Kerry said.

But over the next four years, President Donald J. Trump showed basically no interest in challenging Israel on the settlements, or the conflict over all. Quite the contrary: He embraced Benjamin Netanyahu, the right-wing prime minister of Israel, as one of his favorite foreign leaders, and he took major steps to rubber-stamp Israel’s expansion into Palestinian-held territory.

All of which has set up a series of complicated choices for President Biden:

• Which of Mr. Trump’s moves can be turned back, and which are basically irreversible?
  
  
• How much latitude should the administration give to the Israeli government, as it expands deeper into Palestinian-held land?
  
  
• And now that Israeli settlements are so predominant, is a “two-state solution” even a viable goal?

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Moving the embassy to Jerusalem
During the Trump years, perhaps the most conspicuous display of support for Israeli expansion into Palestinian-held territory was the announcement, in 2017, that the U.S. would move its embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, effectively recognizing the contested holy city as Israel’s capital.

Currently inhabited by a mix of Muslims, Jews and Christians, Jerusalem would figure prominently into any potential negotiations over a two-state solution. Supporters of Palestinian statehood have long called control of East Jerusalem nonnegotiable.

“What they also inherited was an almost set-in-stone U.S. policy” of supporting Israel — an approach that has become more difficult to maintain as Mr. Netanyahu has pressed a right-wing agenda toward the Palestinians, she said.

Since things are shifting so quickly, talk of a “two-state solution” has begun to sound almost quaint, said Yousef Munayyer, a scholar at the Arab Center Washington DC. “The Trump administration had basically buried the two-state prospect,” he said.

But the Biden administration has “not been able to find a way to articulate a path forward,” he added, describing what he saw as “an absence of leadership in this moment.”

In 1995, Congress passed a law — which Mr. Biden, then a senator, voted for — recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, but no U.S. president had taken steps to move the embassy there. On the campaign trail, Mr. Biden criticized Mr. Trump as “shortsighted” for moving the embassy, but he said he would not move it back.

“Moving the embassy back, that was going to be difficult,” Ms. Friedman said. “It would’ve involved enormous amounts of political capital.”

Golan Heights and settlements
In March 2019, Mr. Trump officially recognized Israel’s sovereignty over the Golan Heights, a contested plateau that Israel seized from Syrian control in 1967, and that most of America’s major allies continue to consider unlawfully “occupied” by Israel.

Mr. Trump’s move drew condemnation from the U.N. Security Council, as well as prominent Democratic politicians, who called it a violation of international law — which prevents countries from keeping territory they seized through warfare.

But the statements of Mr. Netanyahu and Mike Pompeo, Trump’s secretary of state, also seemed to open up a hole in that very principle, according to Ms. Friedman. “When they recognized the Golan, they established a new principle of international law, as far as the U.S. was concerned, which said that a nation can keep land that it has acquired in a defensive war,” she said. “And that principle, if you believe it, allows Israel to also keep the West Bank.”

Mr. Biden’s administration has shown little appetite for confronting this rewriting of U.S. policy. Antony J. Blinken, Mr. Biden’s secretary of state, said in February that control of the Golan region “remains of real importance to Israel’s security,” and indicated that he didn’t have any immediate plans to revisit the Trump administration’s move.

Mr. Trump also dispatched his Israel ambassador to visit Ariel, a settlement in the West Bank, breaking with longstanding tradition not to legitimize the sites. J Street, a left-leaning Jewish lobbying group, criticized the move at the time as stepping over “a major, longstanding red line of bipartisan U.S. policy.”

Mr. Biden has condemned settlements in the West Bank — which Palestinians consider essential territory for a future state — but he has not indicated that he intends to take meaningful steps to stop them. Meanwhile, the Israeli government has been laying groundwork for further encroachment, including large investments in settlement infrastructure.

Mr. Munayyer said that without a break from precedent, the Biden administration risked tacitly endorsing the push into Palestinian land. “U.S. policy, regardless of the administration — Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump — has helped incentivize a race to the right in Israeli politics, by ensuring that there is no consequence for doing that,” he said.

Palestinian aid and the P.L.O. mission
The Trump administration cut off American support for the U.N. aid program for Palestinian refugees and other forms of support for residents of the Palestinian territories. Mr. Biden has pledged to resume sending millions of dollars in assistance.

A U.N. agency provides health care to more than three million Palestinians, as well as education assistance and other aid; in April, the Biden administration said it would send $150 million to the agency, as well as put $85 million into direct aid to Palestinians.

But this could run into some legal hurdles. Congress passed the Taylor Force Act in 2018, restricting aid until the Palestinians agreed to certain conditions. The administration has said that it intends to comply with the legislation when doling out aid.

Mr. Biden is also working to reopen diplomatic channels with the Palestine Liberation Organization. In 2018, Mr. Trump closed down the P.L.O.’s mission in Washington, a step that previous administrations had deliberately resisted taking, signaling that the possibility remained open for peace talks toward a two-state solution.

Mr. Biden has pledged to reopen the P.L.O. mission. But that plan could run into legal issues as well, thanks to another Trump-era move: In 2019, Mr. Biden’s predecessor signed a law that, in countering a Supreme Court ruling, would leave the P.L.O. vulnerable to lawsuits seeking millions of dollars in damages for past shootings and bombings if it were to reopen a U.S. office.

 

Do you really have to keep quoting from that antisemitic-fascist website? I understand that is where your ideological home is, but people aren't quoting stormfront as a source here either.

 

You need to calm down dude. Not everyone who has issues with Israelis anti-semitic.

 

For many Jews, Zionism is an integral part of Jewish identity. This does not mean Netanyahu level of Zionism, but it is Zionism in that Israel is the homeland of Jewish people. Any criticism of Zionism is therefore a criticism of Jewish people and hence anti-semitic.

 

Win the war then you have peace.

 

Zionism means Israel has a right to defend itself. Biden continues most if not all the Trump policies.

But dead Palestinian children does not make Israeli citizens safer. If Hamas is using Palestinian kids as shields, then the IDF has to find new ways to deescalate besides artillery shelling, white phosphorus, and missiles.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...sraeli-troops-fire-tear-gas-Palestinians.html