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Tad Brown Leaving

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by HP3, Apr 23, 2021.

  1. DonatelloLimestone

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    I understand what you're saying. ESPN is more of a TMZ style about the nba, huge platform and reach, entertaining for all of junkies who need a little soap opera NBA style, yet it seems the producers must just tell them to take a side and ride with it and make a headline one way or another. Definitely not a place to get fair or reasonable analysis. It has its place as this is an entertainment league, but definitely appreciate a lot of our houston reporters.

    Yea I think our message board has been full of hypotheticals this entire year and I suspect we'll spend our energy there until we have the draft as there isn't much to root for. Also, to the point on Levert being who he is at 26,27 while also touting Kelly Olnyk's value in return. Kelly is 30, in the very same year in the trade he is playing about only 4 minutes more in Houston than Miami, shooting 3 more shots but almost 15 percent more efficient fg, 7 percent more on 3s, 8 on fts, 2 rebounds, an assistant and a wild 8 points on just 4 extra minutes. Thats why when I see so many players with a different system, different spacing, all the dynamics that change basketball's formula since its so instinctive, reaction, reflexive and then dependent on cohesion from the team, coaches, the amount of rope and green light they have. Now all of a sudden we feel we have a special piece, and I do think he is. His assist don't cover his playmaking ability, his court awareness that he has shown. HIs steals or what not haven't shown the sense of urgency that he brings to the team and other 'intangibles' that he may have just raised his value to being able to add to any contender or if he wants to continue to showcase how much he can do here. That along with having leverts contract on the books this summer with no back against our wall as well as potentially Allens s/t value or even just young talent to keep. Not many are putting out what Allen is or has shown hints of, he has even shown that he can get more comfortable with the corner 3.

    Like you mentioned, we won't know until it all plays out what the grand plan is. We also will never know what the owner mandates are and how much room Stone really has to be able to do it.Stone is a rookie gm, Silas is a rookie coach, I really have a hard time blaming either one of them and at least want to see more. Tilman has been caught red handed lying or contradicting himself many times in that manner, I can only hope that this harsh reality and current state of the franchise served him some non-Landry's style humble pie for the sake of our city and our team. I don't mind the fanboy stuff, heck I consider myself a fanboy as that I simply am at this point, in that Ican not turn my back on the Rockets. I can be disappointed in the ownership's trend the last few years, but i'll always be rooting for them, the great spirit on the court, coaches, and FO no matter how painful this year has been and thus so long as hes the owner i'll always be hoping he figures it out and maybe heeds his own advice, to shut up and listen.

    Alternatively, you may no better than I do. Did morey take much of his analytics team with him or do we still have the benefit of a few of them on our team. Does Tilman have any realistic plan to improve our facilities that he touted/mentioned in 2017?
     
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  2. The Cat

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    I was surprised at how much of the staff stayed, the majority did. Stone and Eli Witus were obviously the biggest two after Gersson left in 2019. I do believe that the plane was/is being massively upgraded, as has been reported, not sure about the rest. Wouldn’t shock me if COVID finances delayed some things, but I haven’t been specifically told that, just going by various reports elsewhere. Good question to ask about before the offseason.
     
  3. DonatelloLimestone

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    I believe he bought a new plane. A lot of companies did as in the the last tax change you could write off the entire new private jet which sourced private jet sales.

    I'm surprised they didn't use the new opportunity zones to build new practice facilities nearby downtown while also a huge dose of economic development and PR for the team. Great financial incentives, great PR incentives, and a more efficient, cheaper way to build a new.

    did not know that about the staff, so thats a pleasant surprise to build upon and hopefully we continue to invest in the 'culture', facilities, player experience to draw more talent and bring the best of our own with creating a work environment. With the rebuild, nows the time to redefine the rockets experience since we're starting a new. thnkx
     
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  4. The Cat

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    In late 2019, they talked about doing a major revamp of TC and practice infrastructure within the next 5 years or so. Wasn’t imminent, but that timetable was pre-COVID. Anyway, that’ll be a good question for when they announce the new CEO and do an availability with that person (likely soon)
     
  5. Roxfan4lyfe

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    Lol first off all I’m saying the Rockets could’ve used Beverly and others in a different trade, plus Morey gave up on Harrell and Lou to early all in all I just felt like getting Cp3 at that price was bad for the future and that’s my opinion, Cp3 was a gamble because of his history with injuries and it turn into a **** show afterwards. The Rockets built good teams around Harden after Cp3 sign things fell apart
     
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    What happened to the Rockets when Cp3 sign the max???
     
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  8. YOLO

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    Tilman decided to break up the team and instead of giving Harden/cp3 a legit supporting cast they deserve, they went scraping the bottom of the barrel. Extremely old news
     
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    Bro they had a championship caliber team around them already, I felt like if CP3 really wanted to run it back he should’ve took a little less money to help keep the same 65 win team together
     
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    So you want Chris Paul to give up money, as opposed to the billionaire owner?
     
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    cp3 giving up money had 0 to do with keeping that team together or even fielding a relevant supporting cast.
     
  13. chenjy9

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    You want a millionaire to give up his hard earned contract so a billionaire can avoid spending money to get under the LTS, something every team with championship aspirations is willing to pay? o_O
     
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  14. DonatelloLimestone

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    you're right, they did have a championship caliber team.

    That year they went one game from defeating the warriors to the finals with chris paul out. Then that off season we had our MLE( we didn't use it) We had TPE of over 10 million to get creative(we didn't use it) We had picks, we used a 1st and several 2nd to do gymnastics to get under the cap, all for tax savings. Then we also had bird rights to all of our players.

    You can't put the onus on chris paul to not take his leverage, the nba economics with crazy revenue especially does not work if you want to be a winning team. Marc gasol was not worth 50 million at 34/35, raptors took a swing, the ball bounced the right way and the rest is history. Jr smith, love, tristan were not worth their contracts, but in the nba now you don't have leverage, you have to use your bird rights to sign if you are in your contention window, in any case they kept their depth, surrounded their generational talent and gave themselves a good chance at a chip. None of those are guaranteed, in fact none of todays teams that are crazy spending are guaranteed rings, not clippers, not nuggets, not jazz, not lakers, not suns(paying for chris paul now, no 1 in league), not the nets, sixers, or bucks. You just have to give yourself every shot when you are contending and the par of the nba has risen, are you really trying to say we should be saving tilman money? that will work for the pacers, in prepetual mediocrity, but it won't field a winner or keep or attract 1A talent to our team.

    Ok lets look at what we did with our bird rights, let mbah go, let ariza go. We all know ariza is not 'worth' 15 million, but its a one year deal, no future risk to run it bak, plus at a 1 year its tradeable which he was traded for kelly oubre. On the other side you replace him with what? We replaced him with james ennis, we traded james ennis mid-season while he was playing for a top 55 protected 2nd rounder, no player. We cut daniel house a month before that for 2 months until it was tax friendly.

    You can say ariza does'nt matter, it ijust isn't right. Every title even back to clutch city, look at Kenny smith, mario elie, robert horry, look at john paxon, steve kerr, derek fisher so on players that aren't headliners or worth their contracts make winning plays, add to the culture, and become vital because cohesion matters.

    Former Houston Rockets guard Chris Paul was on the Knuckleheads podcast with Darius Miles and Quentin Richardson and explained the impact of the Rockets losing Ariza.

    “People don’t realize, that’s the biggest thing that we missed. That was tough when we lost [Ariza] because he sorta was like the glue. He was that glue for our team.”


    so you're right, we were a contending team, then tilman's first offseason we began to water down the margins, things that don't sell but help winning franchises and from there about 90 percent of the moves were cost cutting. Not a surprise that anyone with clout in our franchise, the ceo, the gm, thet assistant gm, the coach, associate head coach, our stars, our vets have all left. We became the landry's rockets
     
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    Did I just see the “CP3 should’ve taken less money” angle again? Oh boy...
     
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