This is all anyone needs to know in terms of what has happened to the Rockets over the past three years. "Tilman and Patrick."
And that's surprising? Morey literally told him he wasn't going to be traded. Because he really didn't think so. He obviously didn't want to trade him. But oh wait, guess what some dumbass owner admittedly forced the trade. Oh and funny how Morey attempted to re-acquire him in Phillly. cp3 has already said many times, as long as they would have let him know he would have been good. That just goes back again to the dumbass owner and his severe lack of awareness and decision making. Now look at everyone who left his ass. Here we are
Harden was still clearly more than ok with continuing to play with CP3. We know someone who definitely didn’t want CP3, and we know that person later forced the trade, yet people keep coming with alternative facts.
That might have something to do with reports by Kelly Iko that Harden didn't think CP3 was a suitable partner and to build a championship team or he's out.
I know you and some others have been defending Harden and Morey on the Westbrook trade. I don't think we know all the facts behind the door. All you have are public statements from these guys, which I always take with a grain of salt. CP3 said that Morey assured him that he would not be traded. Even if Morey had changed his course after that alleged conversation, he apparently never informed Paul before the trade actually happened. So Morey was not totally transparent even internally. What makes you think he is transparent to the public? I believe that there is enough blame to go around. Tilman is the number 1 culprit no double. But just because Tilman is a POS doesn't mean everybody else is a saint.
These are the key things to remember. If you just listened to public statements by CP3, Harden, and Morey for what they said publicly, you would have walked away with the impression that everything was all sunshine and roses. It is what is mumbled after everything is over and done with where you really get a better idea of what was actually going on beneath the surface.
How is morey supposed to tell cp3 of a trade that he didn't know Tilman was going to eventually force? It doesn't matter if you want to put 5%, 10%, 15% or whatever blame on harden, morey, mda, tad, whoever else is gone. There's only one person thats been behind every single move that has ruined this franchise since 2018, fresh off a 65 win season and nearly dethroning a GS dynasty. That's the only thing that matters to this point and going forward.
Are you saying Harden and Morey could have changed TIlman & son's desire to get rid of CP3? Harden wanted to win and he wanted to add Butler. Butler declined and we wanted to add WB. Tilman wanted to get rid Cp3 so they traded for WB. Whatever Morey did and said you think it was against Tilman's wishes? Tilman valued savings over a championship
yeah, Morey assured him, and then Tilman came through and said “fck all those assurances, get the deal done”...or are u gonna now claim that Tilman wasn’t being transparent when he said the FO got cold feet and he pushed the deal though anyways except no one is claiming everyone else is a saint Harden ultimately preferred Westbrook over CP3, but this notion that he hated Chris Paul and wanted him out by any means that some like to peddle on here is BS
people conveniently overlook the part of butler being the absolute priority that offseason to add to cp3. Then by surprise later that summer, pg13 forcing himself out, fresh off a max extension deal with okc and deciding he no longer wants to play with westbrick. So westbrick all by his lonesome is suddenly available
I was talking about AFTER he knew he would make the trade. Paul was upset at Morey because Morey never informed him until the trade was done. How hard was that for Morey to give CP3 a call when he was allegedly forced by Tilman to push through the deal?
That still doesn't answer my question. The timeframe of cp3 finding out he's otw out/Tilman forced the move could very well be well before Morey had a chance to do so. In which case there was no way morey could do so, especially after the fact he believed cp3 was still going to be here, only to be overruled. Remember TIlman said he was out of the country being 6/7 hours ahead of them. There's definitely a window there where cp3 found out well before guys in the FO and Morey were able to
Im sure some of you believe that if a player said "Houston has the best fanbase" youll believe he really think that just because he said it publicly. Nevermind same player said that to other teams he played for.
I don't get your logic. Tilman didn't materially make the trade. Morey did. The trade couldn't have been done without Morey's knowing it first. Are you saying that Tilman dealt with OKC directly and Morey only found out the trade was done after the fact? I find that extremely hard to believe. It's one thing to say that Tilman forced Morey to make the trade, which is very believable. It's totally another thing to say that Tilman made the trade himself without Morey knowing it beforehand. There had to be a time when Morey knew the trade was going to be done before the trade was actually done.
Cp3 finding out he’s on his way out can very well be before it’s formally done. Tilman forced the move absolutely despite operations like morey telling him no. Once tilman pushed it, it literally doesn’t matter what anyone else says or does. Cp3 doesn’t need to wait for morey to inform him that’s he’s gone for him to know. We know there’s plenty of avenues that players find out they are on the move whether it’s early or in the latter stages. There being much of a time that morey knew doesn’t make much sense, specifically for the fact that he literally believed Cp3 wasn’t going anywhere. Cp3 saying he was shocked doesn’t come out of nowhere after he talked to morey a few days before
Pretty sure if Harden told Tilman that if CP3 goes he would go, that both would still have been here last season.
LOL. So now it's Harden's fault because he didn't openly defy the owner and threaten to leave if he didn't get his EXACT way, personnel-wise? Is that how this works in your mind? You're confused. Harden not fighting to keep CP3 on the team is not the same as Harden having a strong desire to get him off the team.
