Jordan Poole isn't a good shooter, but Toscano-Anderson and Lee are. Why do you suppose they can't get more than 20 mpg?
This is a load of crap. Chandler Parsons, Patrick Beverley, Ryan Anderson, Trevor Ariza, Jason Terry, Chris Paul, Eric Gordon, and PJ Tucker.
And none of those guys ever shot as well as bazemore and Wiggins are for Curry this year. Besides Anderson and Terry none of those guys were considered knock down shooters. Especially when they were here. And terry was like 40 years old and Anderson was a defensive laibilty... Eric Gordon last year is shooting the same as Oubre.. Defensively and playmaking make Draymond soo much better than PJ Tucker even if he shoots a few percentage points worse it's not like we couldn't replace the hole 6 pts a game Tucker averaged....
Nobody but you includes off ball playmaking, that's the point. Can you give an example of anybody in the media using off the ball stuff and equating it to playmaking? Has anybody ever said Kyle Korver or JJ Redick where great playmakers or playmakers at all?
Wrong. Kind of a stupid argument. Who cares if they had the reputation of a "knock down" shooter if they were actually shooting an above-average percentage? Yes, and he also played 36 games. It was his worst season as a Rocket. But that doesn't change the fact that in his first 3 years with us, he shot 37.2%, 35.9%, and 36% from the 3pt line. Those are above average percentages. A "few percentage points worse"? You realize that 5% is the difference between "average" (35%) and "elite" (40%), right? A "few percentage points" is actually a big deal. Draymond Green shot incredibly well (for him) in 2016 (38.8%). Since then, his percentage has hovered around 30%. From 2018-2020, Tucker shot 37.1%, 37.7%, and 35.8%. There's actually a huge difference. I'm not going to comment on the defense or playmaking b/c your original comment focused on shooting.
Harden fans don't include off-ball playmaking. If you look at other forums or reddit, plenty of people consider it to be playmaking. Here's a recent thread: I can't. I don't follow anyone in the media. Neither of them had the kind of range/gravity that Curry has. Also, neither of them were as involved off-ball as Curry is.
So your defense is to use a reddit thread (lol) with zero upvotes (looool) and a title that invites FANS OF CURRY (LOL) to chime in and defend their guy. That's the equivalent of going to a Houston Rockets fan forum and asking the posters who their favorite NBA team is. You're obviously going to get the answer you want to hear. It's an echo chamber. Obviously 'fans of Steph Curry' are going to try to find inventive ways to say he's a better playmaker than Harden. That's not objective at all.
Did you read it? There are fans of other teams that agree with my views on playmaking. Regardless, it proves that "off-ball playmaking" isn't something I invented to prop up Curry.
This is why no one can take your stance of "Steph's off-ball movement = playmaking!" seriously. Ray Allen, Redick, Korver and even Klay are pretty much the best examples of players who have immense range and who move around really well. As good as those players are, you won't find a single article or tweet or blurb or whatever that says those 4 are, in any form or fashion, playmakers. If you think moving off the ball is playmaking, those 4 surely deserved some mention somewhere, in their careers, about playmaking. Nope.
Incorrect. Curry was the first player to consistently shoot deep 3's as part of the game plan. Moving off-ball, in and of itself, isn't playmaking. However, when it's coupled with elite shooting, elite range, and it distorts defenses to the point that it consistently creates scoring opportunities for teammates, then it becomes playmaking.
not even close to true because then why are nba tv ratings in the toilet. LOL tv ratings are worse this year than even last year when curry didnt even play https://theathletic.com/2524106/202...s-down-plus-thoughts-on-the-big-sports-slump/ Eventually, it will be official: The NBA again lost viewership on its ABC games, down from last season’s all-time low of a 2.95 million average in 15 games. The current average for the 12 premium network TV games to this point in 2020-2021 is 2.83 million, per Showbuzz, with three ABC games to go. Based on how this average drops as the season moves along (it starts off highest after the Christmas games bonanza), we can safely project that the ABC games will finish at a mark that’s lower than last season, but not precipitously so. The jury is still out on the ESPN and TNT games, but recent results have been bad. Sports media writer Ryan Glasspiegel observed that Wednesday’s ESPN NBA games finished lower than the AEW, pro wrestling’s distant No. 2 brand. The NBA is getting beat head to head by AEW Pro Wrestling lol, a second rate wrestling company
1. When? Are you talking about OKC? The only legitimately good supporting cast he had in Houston in the playoffs was 2018 with Chris Paul, and even that cast didn't exactly have loads of offensive talent to take away defensive attention. Just incredibly high IQ players on both ends (Harden included). Not to mention that it was paper thin (seven-man rotation even before Paul's injury). 2. Yes, everyone knows that. My point is A) it's stupid that that's a fact we just accept that fact, and B) that affects Harden more than almost any other superstar. That's not about him not being good enough or "choking". It's just a broken system. 3. You're moving the goal posts. We're just talking about averages here. The point is that obviously someone like LeBron who's spent most of his playoff career beating up crappy EC teams is going to have better playoff averages than Harden who has played like half his playoff series against elite defensive teams. Harden has had good series against good defensive teams, too. Even that 2017 series against Kawhi and the Spurs, before the inexplicable game 6 (the one game I admit I can't defend), Harden was averaging nearly 30 ppg on 60% TS% against arguably the best defensive player and team of the last couple decades. 4. Can you explain how? It seems to me that fewer threes is fewer threes, no matter your starting point. 5. If we're talking about the "eye test" right now, then we're at an impasse. I prefer measurable metrics. Most people's "eyes" are full of ****, tbf, especially when it comes to a topic as emotional as sports.
So you are really going to his defense wasn't all that and the plus defenders helped him out and than just totally act like klay, durant didn't help him assist numbers ? Greens defense was the key to warriors team bc it allowed them to play small or big without being beaten down Low by bigs when going small. His success was why rockets went tucker at 5 in hopes he can give then something similar. No way the warrior win pre durant without him being there.
harden was more impressive in 2019. he not only averaged more for more games. He put 30 on every team in the league and most importantly WON GAMES Curry being praised for something harden was critisized for back then is so funny
