I'm not arguing with the stats. I'm arguing with the interpretation of the stats. Bradley Beal is averaging over 30ppg this season. When Iguodala was an all-star, he averaged 12.4ppg. Obviously, ppg alone doesn't encapsulate a player, but clearly, Iguodala was more of a high-end role player than a star. Sorry, but you're wrong. You said that Draymond Green was literally the best defender of the modern era. Again, if that were true, he'd have more than 1 DPOY. You really should stop arguing this. You got caught in an exaggeration, and instead of amending your statement, you doubled down on your wrongness. Draymond Green has more of a case than Gobert? Leonard? It's not my fault that your points are undermined by the words you chose to express them. Again, you're 100% wrong. You said that Rodman, one of the best offensive rebounders in league history, would be "actually useless on the Warriors on offense." If you don't want to argue about semantics, then stop using hyperbole. When you're called "stupid" for saying stupid things like this, you have no right to be mad at anyone but yourself. That's a load of crap. When a player shoots such a low percentage, there's no telling when he'll eventually make one. It's stupid to say "he had the ability to hit timely threes." Unsurprisingly, you missed the point. You said that Ben Wallace couldn't guard 1-5 like Draymond Green. I responded that DG would be unable to guard Shaq like Ben Wallace did. And here we are now. Then say that. Because that's not what you said previously. Is English your second language? That would explain your constant miscommunication. You've said a lot of stupid things so far, but this might be the stupidest thing anyone has ever said in the history of Clutchfans. You really think that a lineup of Patty Mills, Danny Green, Jonathon Simmons, Lamarcus Aldridge, Pau Gasol, and a hobbled Kawhi Leonard averaging less than 24 mpg could beat a lineup of Curry/K.Thompson/Durant/Iguodala/Pachulia? Again, stupidest thing ever said in the history of Clutchfans.
A “superstar” carrying a bad team isn’t amazing. It’s quite normal. What’s not normal is having a superstar and failing to make the playoffs. GS is about to do that twice in a row with Steph.
False. You brought the all-star teammate rubric into this convo, not me. I’m not nitpicky for calling you out on a false claim. The Blazers don’t have more than one on their roster. The Grizz have zero. Own your false statements. It’s ok to admit you misspoke.
It's always been about relative strength. It's more difficult to make it to the playoffs this year than it was in 2016. Even if we include Lillard as an all-star in 2016, the Grizzlies and Mavericks didn't have any all-stars whereas the current top 7 playoff teams have all-stars. The problem with including "all-star caliber" guys is that it's too subjective. Obviously, we can all agree that 2016 Lillard was all-star caliber. But you have guys like HP3 claiming that Andre Iguodala was a "former star". I'd be happy to say I misspoke if we can find a better adjective.
It's also not normal to expect a superstar to make the playoffs when he only plays 5 regular season games.
hes doing a godly job of arguing carry in this thread , i am rooting for him defending indefensible...
You misspoke by saying teams above GS this season had multiple all-star players when they clearly don't (some of them). It's normal to expect your superstar to be durable, so he can play games and carry your team. It's also one of the reasons a team can't rely on Anthony Davis. Curry's fragility is a weakness, same as it was for Yao eventually.
Quote me where I said they all had multiple all-stars. You hope your superstar is durable, but if he's not, that doesn't preclude him from being a superstar.
Because lets face it this thread was a putdown on Curry so that Harden fans can feel better about him being ringless
Look at the toll it takes on a body when you go to the finals (And WIN BTW) many years in a row...look at KD, look at Lebron, look at Klay and look at Curry. Deep playoff runs has implications especially on the body of these players. Curry has earned the benefit of the doubt because he has gotten the job done to the tune of 3 rings. Harden has literally choked every year for the last 6 postseasons and he took the easiest damn way out of Houston into a front running team in the (L)eastern conference. Couldn't get it done with prime Dwight, couldn't' get it done with CP3, couldn't get it done with Russ. Pathetic, shameful and embarrassing.
that's because curry had some of the best teammates you can ask for to get a ring... scott foster and adam silver.
hes carrying Carry in hardenlike fashion with no superstar help, hes reaching @bballholic / jopat levels of carrying
NAILED IT people think its missing klay or dray falling off a cliff, but this is closest to the facts imho.. if zebras dont wont you to win you stand no chance and vice versa
Very well put and I have to admit that the age has to be a qualifier but then you think he was once vying for the best player in the World with Lebron. This was very logically laid out with no bias.
