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George Floyd Murder Trial

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  1. Reeko

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    Yet the police chief testified it’s actually not what his officer are trained to do. Foh
     
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  2. El_Conquistador

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    You are totally wrong.

    Describing the police use of neck restraints, Mercil said the department's training calls for officers to use their arms to restrict the flow of blood to and from the brain by applying force to the side of the neck "with the intent to gain control of a subject."

    Mercil also said that in some cases, it might be appropriate to put a knee on someone during handcuffing – and to keep a knee there if the subject is still trying to thrash around or kick people.
     
  3. Reeko

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    as usual, u embarrass yourself by being ignorant

    Minneapolis' police chief testified in Derek Chauvin's murder trial Monday that the former officer's actions in the arrest of George Floyd violated multiple department policies, and that he should have rendered medical aid.

    Chief Medaria Arradondo – who fired Chauvin and the three other officers involved in Floyd's arrest, and characterized the 46-year-old Black man's death as "murder" – was called to the stand by state prosecutors. He testified for most of the day.

    Arradondo told the jury that Chauvin's restraint "is not de-escalation," nor a "trained" Minneapolis Police Department technique.

    "A conscious neck restraint by policy includes light to moderate pressure," Arradondo said. "When I look at the facial expression of Mr. Floyd, that does not indicate light to moderate pressure."

    Arradondo said Chauvin's actions also violated the department's use-of-force policy.

    "It has to be objectively reasonable," he said. "We have to take into account the circumstances, information, the threat to the officers, the threat to others, and the severity of that. So that is not part of our policy, that is not what we teach."

    Arradondo said the restraint should have ended "once Mr. Floyd had stopped resisting. And certainly once he was in distress and trying to communicate that."

    "Once there was no longer any resistance, and clearly when Mr. Floyd was no longer responsive and even motionless, to continue to apply that level of force to a person proned out, handcuffed behind their back, that in no way, shape or form is anything that is by policy, it is not part of our training, and it is certainly not part of our ethics or values," Arradondo said.

    "It is contrary to our training to indefinitely place your knee on a proned, handcuffed individual for an indefinite period of time," Arradondo said.

    stop wasting my time
     
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  4. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    It is based on circumstantial evidence. You look at the words and actions of the defendant. If you shoot someone ten times while screaming "Die, die, die", it is pretty easy to find intent to kill. If you run over a kid that was ducked behind your car when backing out of your driveway, very tough to find intent to kill. Almost every case is going to fall somewhere in the middle.
     
  5. El_Conquistador

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    The onlookers there on the scene were becoming increasingly aggressive and hostile. Chauvin really couldn't afford to release his neck restraint because he needed to watch the onlookers in the event that they attacked him. The BLM movement and inner city attitude towards police is so horrible that they are creating a very dangerous working environment for police... which in turn led Chauvin to take extra precautions to secure Floyd... and not take his eyes off of the other threats in the immediate area. He was in tremendous danger during that situation.
     
  6. Reeko

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    man, stfu...I see u want to bait me with your stupidity...it’s not gonna work

    next
     
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  7. elrond

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    So for this case specifically, what would you need to see to prove intent, or do you believe there's pretty much no way to prove it with the facts as they currently stand?

    On a side note, an article that I read discussed how the 'blue wall of silence' hasn't held up for the Floyd trial. One of the main reasons highlighted was that officers are much more understanding and willing to overlook cases involving guns due to the split second decision making and potential for mistakes in those kind of cases. For something like this where the neck restraint was held for a long period of time, it seems to have crossed a line that many police officers are unwilling to try and explain or justify.
     
  8. KingCheetah

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    It's been a wonderful experience for everyone.
     
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  9. right1

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    Of course, he was in tremendous danger. He was killing a man in front of a large group of civilians and other trained professionals. He still is in tremendous danger. He is in danger of spending many years in prison where he belongs.
     
  10. dookiester

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    Unless Crowder's neck is located on his back, his stunt demonstrated nothing other than your willingness to believe anything that validates your distorted view. But I guess since these clickbaiters constantly talk out of their ass, anything is anatomically possible.
     
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    Especially for @jiggyfly! ;)
     
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    To reiterate a few things.
    There were four LEO on scene with three holding down Floyd who was already cuffed. The use of the technique itself didn't violate MPD policy but the amount of time that it was put on. According to MPD policy Floyd should've been turned onto his side into what is known as the "recovery position" that would've allowed him to breathe easier. While this position isn't as strong of a control position you can still control a suspect from that position.

    The issue with the crowd will be a focal point of the defense but the argument that Chauvin was distracted by the crowd LEO Lane did express his concern that Floyd should be moved. At that point it's not the crowd distracting him so he's not aware of what's happening to Floyd but him.
     
  13. KingCheetah

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    No.
     
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  14. rocketsjudoka

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    Let me restate a few things..
     
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    I can't believe someone actually invoked Steven Crowder....

    What a subject matter expert. His Nathan Drake cosplay definitely gives him crediblity.
     
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    That part is a very very lame defense. That "crowd" was 3 girls recording with cameras, a child, and some bystanders on the sidewalk. A couple threw insults, but most were pleading for fear of him dying. None were threatening violence upon the officers. This by no means should have prevented him from lifting that knee off his neck, or he, or any officers issuing CPR.
     
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    Considering the someone, I can believe it. Let's hope there aren't people like that on the jury. That clear cut description and analysis by the pulmonologist was as good as it gets. It was painful to watch, even for him. You can see the look of pure disgust by so many of these experts watching Chauvin kill him slowly. I still can't fathom how any human being, especially a police officer trained in CPR could leave that knee on his neck after he had no pulse. It sickens me. I can't see any of them not going to prison. There will be a lot of inmates ready to greet them.
     
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  18. bobrek

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    When has Chauvin said he was in tremendous danger? Could you please provide a link?

    Perhaps if he doesn't cower away, he'll take the stand and say that he was under tremendous danger and that he and 3 other LEOs didn't know how to control a handful of onlookers including some teenage girls.

    This hugely dangerous crowd that seemingly obeyed the officers to stay back the entire time. Not a single officer was charged or attacked by the crowd.
     
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  19. geeimsobored

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    Here's what confuses me about that argument. If the bystanders were really a threat to the officers, why would continuing to kneel on Floyd (as opposed to checking on him and providing aid) be the way to prevent the bystanders from posing a danger.

    It seems that if you're going to make the argument that the bystanders were a potential danger, then it doesn't make sense that Chauvin continued to do the thing that was inciting the bystanders. Continuing to asphyxiate Floyd seems to be the last thing one should do if they were really afraid of the crowd.
     
  20. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Pretty sure they are building up to the "due to the unruly crowd, Chauvin didn't realize how long he was on Floyd's neck" defense.
     

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