We are just as good as Philly. Plus I don't think JYD is as ugly as Mutumbo. Williams needs a dentist. Mutumbo needs a plastic surgeon. ------------------ "They couldn't shoot, rebound, or pass, but other than that, they played great!" -Bill Walton
The Cat, It sounds like it has more to do with the refs not calling the game well, and less to do with how the Sixers played. If it were Lakers Vs Sixers, I will root for the Sixers, because I like rooting for the underdog. ------------------ Never Underestimate the Heart of a Champion
Sixers all the way. How could anyone root against a player because of looks? That is lame. ------------------ The Protrolls.com message boards! Protrolls.com! Don't visit my site.
To say we are better than Philly is a joke... Then explain winning by 25 on their homecourt... if its such a joke, explain why Philly is so much better than us. The answer? They aren't. They just play in the East. And I'll debate you all you want on Iverson not deserving MVP... I already made my case for Duncan-- please tell me why Iverson deserves it over Duncan, cause I still have yet to see one logical reason. And, FYI, if my team loses and I don't think it was a fair loss, then you can expect me to complain about it. If it's a problem, then please ignore it. ------------------ President of the Mo Taylor, Jason Collier, and draft Richard Jefferson fan club! Draftsource.net-- the premier source for draft info. Profiles, rankings, mock drafts, and more! Sign up for season 2 of the CC.net NBA Sim League! http://bbs.clutchcity.net/ubb/Forum12/HTML/000328.html
In response to Cat's statement that we are better than Philly and "Then explain winning by 25 on their homecourt... if its such a joke, explain why Philly is so much better than us. The answer? They aren't. They just play in the East. OK. Cat, just because we beat the Sixers by 25 on their court doesn't make us a better team overall, but a better team on THAT night. Think about it, the Clippers beat us by 17 on OUR home court, does that mean that they are better than the Rockets. They also beat the Lakers by 23...So are they better than the Lakers?? We (the Rockets)lost to the NETS with our playoff hopes on the line! Are the Nets better than we are? NO, they are not. You can't judge a team by one regular season game, rather, you've got to judge them on the season taken as a whole. Based on this season, the Sixers are better than us. ------------------
ONE reason for Iverson deserved MVP? Theirs many, but the most obvious is - 1. Without him, his team wouldn't have made the play offs...with him they won the east and are in the conference finals. That's MVP right their. What more does a guy have to do than carry his team almost solely? You put ANY other player in the league on that team and take off Iverson, and I guarantee they'd of been less successful. That argument that we are better because we beat them is soft...and you know enough about b-ball to know that. What about this...Philly KILLED LA in the same arena...so what does that do for your 'theory'? I am not disputing Duncan's worth. He started slow...and then got hot...he was a worthy second place. ------------------
Iverson doesn't have the help that Duncan does. It is an incredible luxury for Tim to have another talented 7 footer by his side- a star front court. Meanwhile, Iverson is the ONLY star on his team. He has NO second option, yet his team is perhaps the best in the league. Of you think that Aaron Mckie or Eric Snow are what David Robinson is to Tim, then you obviously haven't watched many Sixer games this year. ------------------ The Protrolls.com message boards! Protrolls.com! Don't visit my site.
I agree that you have to base your beliefs on the entire season, so with that in mind : Obviously this is somewhat flawed and there are bound to be variations and it may be off by a few games, but I tihnk it would give us a good idea of roughly where Houston would be if they were in the Eastern Conference. 1) The Eastern conference is pathetic this year. This year the Western Conference posted its best mark against the East since '72-'73. Leading that way were Houston, Portland and Dallas, who were 1-2-3 in the entire league(including the East) in winning percentage vs. the Eastern Conference. 2) Our winning percentage versus the East was .833, extrapolating that out to 54 games against the East and that gives and incredible 45 wins versus the Eastern Conference, if we played an Eastern Conference schedule. Five more than Philadelphia, and matching our total season win mark overall. 3) Our winning percentage against the West however, was much less impressive. Using that with a 28 game schedule against the West and you come up with 11 wins. This would give Houston a mark of 56-26 if they had Philly's schedule. Philadelphia had a 56-26 record this year. I am not, nor do I feel the need to be, impressed at all by the Eastern Conference. And Duncan should've gotten the MVP. ------------------ Charles Barkely on the Raptors defeating the Knicks in Round 1 :"I think it was the Lord. The Lord was with the Raptors. You know the Knicks like to talk so much about religion, but I think the Lord was a Raptor fan."
BTW, the awward is not Most Valuable Player To His Team. They have an award for that. Its simply Most Valuable Player, and Tim Duncan was a more valuable player than Iverson. As far as the help for Iverson, he has the 6th man of the year, Defensive Player of the Year, and probable Coach of the Year. No help my ass. ------------------ Charles Barkely on the Raptors defeating the Knicks in Round 1 :"I think it was the Lord. The Lord was with the Raptors. You know the Knicks like to talk so much about religion, but I think the Lord was a Raptor fan."
Offensive help? He had very little. I still have not heard any reason why Duncan is more valuable than Iverson. The MVP award means most valuable player to a winning team. Without Duncan, the Spurs are .500. Without Iverson, the Sixers are .300. 31-5-4 compared to 22-11-2. Iverson had the better year and that is why he had an overwhelming majority of the votes. ------------------ The Protrolls.com message boards! Protrolls.com! Don't visit my site.
Tim Duncan lead his team to a better record in a much tougher conference. That is why Duncan should be the MVP. Best player, Best team. ------------------ Charles Barkely on the Raptors defeating the Knicks in Round 1 :"I think it was the Lord. The Lord was with the Raptors. You know the Knicks like to talk so much about religion, but I think the Lord was a Raptor fan."
But he had help! Robinson makes Duncan's job easy! He gets guarded by the likes of Horace Grant! Meanwhile, Iverson is a midget among giants, and still puts up 30+ ppg! I'll probably never win this arguement, but Iverson won the award and that's all that matters!!! ------------------ The Protrolls.com message boards! Protrolls.com! Don't visit my site.
Duncan is also guided by Garnett, Webber, Malone, Wallace, McDyess etc, etc. Meanwhile, Duncan had Robinson, and a bunch of guys that shoot three pointers well. Iverson did have McKie, Mutombo and Brown. If these guys were so bad, how come they'll sweep most of the major awards? Are you telling me they didn't deserve these awards? Plus, Iverson was in the East, the Eastern Conference is just not as good as the West, and in the West, Duncan took the Spurs to a better record against tougher competition. ------------------ Charles Barkely on the Raptors defeating the Knicks in Round 1 :"I think it was the Lord. The Lord was with the Raptors. You know the Knicks like to talk so much about religion, but I think the Lord was a Raptor fan."
You're still ignoring the fact that Iverson won the MVP award voted on by the players. These are the guys who play against him, who understand the game a hell of a lot more than we do. ------------------
TheCat: The Rockets are a better team than the Sixers because of one regular season win? Weren't you the same guy refusing to acknowledge that the Clippers own the Houston Rockets? They beat us 3 out of 4 times this regular season, including a 17 point home embarassment. I'm rooting for the Sixers, but if they lose, the fact that I won't have to read referee bashing in every thread for a month (ala the show you put on last year after the Lakers championship) will be consolation enough. ------------------ Interior defense wins playoff games. [This message has been edited by thacabbage (edited May 21, 2001).]
Iverson was the MVP this year. He is the only good offensive player on his team and although the East is weak he did leave them to the best record. Duncan & Shaq & Kobe are all better players than AI, IMO, but Iverson had the best year this year. The bottom line is if AI has a bad game the Sixers lose. If Duncan was off the Admiral or D. Anderson could still pick up the team. Smae with the Lakers who have Kobe & Shaq to pick each other up when one is off. Also I don't care if we beat the Sixers, it doesn't make us a better team. Bottom line is this team still has no playoff experience the last 2 years. Our record vs Western conference playoff teams was horrible. I guarantee if you put the Sixers in the West that they find a way to make the playoffs.
Yes. Yes, he is. However 4 out of 5 constitutes ownership. TheCat -- I can tell you why the Sixers are better than the Rockets: Philly was 16-12 against the West. Houston was 20-32. ------------------ NOTHING BUT .NET CLUTCHCITY.NET
waaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh ------------------ Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes.
Iverson totaled 1,121 points and received 93 of a possible 124 first-place votes in the balloting done by a panel of sportswriters and broadcasters throughout the United States and Canada... The 124-member voting panel consisted of 37 national media members and three media members who cover the NBA regularly from each of the league's 29 teams. Media voted for five MVP candidates in order of preference. Points were awarded on a 10-7-5-3-1 basis. gee, it didn't say any players voted for him here. http://www.nba.com/news/mvp_iverson_010515.html?nav=ArticleList the title of this thread gives hope to some good banter on a possible matchup between the 76ers and the Lakers. Instead, more crying about the rules and officials? A more proper way of beginning might have been..... "IF IT'S LAKERS VS, SIXERS IN THE FINALS," then the Lakers would receive the home court advantage. Since their regular season records were the same, and they split each game they played this season, the tiebreaker goes to the team with a better record against the opposing conference.. LA, in turn, wins the tiebreaker due to its superior record against the East. oh, and 16 assists doesn't tell you anything about AI's desire to win? he didn't HAVE to step up and win it for his team, he has TEAMMATES to do that for him. GO SIXERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------ Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes.
i said it at the beginning of the playoffs: bucks vs. lakers. milwaukee has TOO many weapons for philly to handle. and unless AI can outscore tim thomas, big dog, ray allen, sam i am, and lindsey hunter (5 legit scorers) then philly will get stomped in 5 games.
