Trade with Knicks? I've always loved Marbury's game & have wished the Rockets would've traded for him for some time. I've read several posts by NY fans & have gotten the impression that they admire Cato's defensive prowess & would like to move Kurt Thomas. I'm not sure that NY would do this trade, but, maybe Isiah will see something in Francis that I don't. Would Francis's marquee appeal be enough to sway him? Houston sends Francis/Cato to NY. NY sends Marbury/KT to Houston. This trade would benefit Francis, because he'd be on center stage every night. Thus, he could shine & make the ESPN highlight reel every night as well. This is not meant as a slam at Francis, but refers to the fact that he steps up his game when the cameras are on him. This trade would give the Knicks a tough defensive center in the middle & a PG that has all the talent in the world, but is playing in a system that doesn't take advantage of his talents. Can Isiah bring out the untapped talent in Francis? Will the bright lights make him play his best every night? This trade would benefit the Rockets, because we'd still have many of the attributes that Francis brings, plus a much better passing PG. We'd also get us a PF that can score, rebound, & play the low post game. So, would you do this deal? Would NY do this deal? Would it be a fair deal for both teams?
I think this is a net zero trade for both teams and don't see why either would be that interested in doing it, to be honest.
a guy who historically, season by season has attempted more shots than francis per game. also has a history of attitude trouble. another street baller.
Marbury is ten times the player Francis is, and Isaiah considers him his protegee (sp?). Absolutely no way in hell Isaiah trades Marbury.
Nyet. Nyet. Nyet. Keep Cato in this case. Kurt Thomas is good in the East but too small in the West. Also, Cato gives us a solid backup for Yao Ming. I would do Starbury for Francis. Too bad Isaiah Thomas wouldn't. Marbury, for all of his baggage, is a much better shot (and therefore would be better foil for Yao). Also, he is a better defender than Francis. I'm not sure, but I think his assist average is higher and turnover rate lower. I need a statistician to verify or refute that.
true...but they are basicallly the same. Marbuy will hog the ball towards end of the game and also jack up ill advised shots.
No way NYK trades Marbury after 1/2 a season. He's a hometown kid and Isaiah Thomas is going to work with him this summer. Talent wise, its a pretty even trade. It just doesn't help out any of the teams.
The whole NY hype about Marbury being home makes this not possible and I'm sure Isaiah only considers him 'his protegee' bc he has no one like a Labron to play all his hype on. Those Knicks aren't even as good as the Suns last year and that was even because he had Amaree. He might be smarter and more experienced than he was in NJ and Minny but he's still more or less the same player as far as impact.
I can't believe I even have to point this out, but here goes. Francis A/TO ratio (last 3 years) 01-02: 6.4apg // 3.88to // 1.65 A/TO ratio 02-03: 6.2apg // 3.69to // 1.68 A/TO ratio 03-04: 6.2apg // 3.72to // 1.67 A/TO ratio career: 6.4apg // 3.70to // 1.73 A/TO ratio Marbury A/TO ratio (last 3 years) 01-02: 8.1apg // 3.46to // 2.34 A/TO ratio 02-03: 8.1apg // 3.25to // 2.49 A/TO ratio 03-04: 8.9apg // 3.07to // 2.90 A/TO ratio career: 8.3apg // 3.25to // 2.55 A/TO ratio Kidd A/TO ratio (last 3 years) 01-02: 9.9apg // 3.49to // 2.84 A/TO ratio 02-03: 8.9apg // 3.70to // 2.41 A/TO ratio 03-04: 9.2apg // 3.19to // 2.88 A/TO ratio career: 9.4apg // 3.39to // 2.77 A/TO ratio Notice any trends? I showed Kidd's numbers (since he's considered the best) just for comparison's sake. As I indicated in my original post, Marbury brings the same shooting skills as Francis, but has a much better A/TO ratio. PG's are supposed to be distributors first, & shooters second. Marbury just happens to be both. As for your reference that he takes more shots than any of his teammates, who did he have on his team in Phoenix that could shoot with any consistency besides Marion? And, Marion was right on his heals in FGA's (1395/1413 & 1466/1530). In NJ, he had Keith (Freaking) Van Horn to work with (1257/1317 & 708/1277). In Minnesota, he had Garnett, but Garnett made more FGA's (1100/871 & 1293/1237).
the knicks would never even consider that trade. steph is what we hope steve can become, and we would be lucky to get kt for cato.
Starbury as selfish as he is, can dish out passes and i beleive is more fundametally sound than francis. Both are error prones but at least starbury is a better scorer, passer, finisher and can at least finish the break, can execute a pnr most evident during his suns days with amare. The verdict, accept the trade and also pls trade cat for brent barry and some scrubs. Its time to clean house baby!!!!!!!
The thing about Marbury and Steve is they are both shoot-first (and SHOULD be that) and are great at scoring. The difference is that Marbury CAN dish it if he ever decided to, and he can do it as well as any PG in the entire league. Steve, on the other hand, is unable to do so. Look at the numbers hottodie posted. Marbury is 22/9/5 with a few turnovers. That's incredible. The Knicks' record with Houston and Marbury both playing is incredible. It's only when Houston went down that NY collapsed. I'm a Rockets fan as well, but Marbury is much better than Francis. He's even more capable of carrying a team, while also having more heart. The only thing Francis has on Marbury is 1 or 2 inches in height and rebounding, and he doesn't put them to positive use anyway.
You mean KNICK players in a Rockets' Uniform? Nah-ah... now way that could ever happen... NO WAY... REALLY? I never thought...
