Waiting for the trade deadline & then finding out the "trade" we actually made... The good news is Oladipo is gone but Holy hell what an absolute flea market value these bozos were able to get:
thank you nook, you broke that down perfectly and made me feel just a little bit better. I also had no idea we owned our 2022 pick( draft has chet holmgren and emoni bates in it). do you know the draft protections on the future draft swaps to okc after this year
Yeah, its WAY WAY too soon to value the Harden trade. If they end up with even one Luka/Embiid/Giannis/Etc type player over the next few years, whether via their own picks, swapped picks, or anything, then the combination of events that led to that would be ALL from the Harden trade and make it worth it. It's disappointing that they weren't able to get BOTH that option, AND more assets, but it is what it is I guess. I personally think its folly that anyone would have preferred the 76ers deal. Simmons+Wood is a recipe for 6-10 seeds for the next 5 years. I think its valid to consider what if they kept LeVert and Allen. I'm fine with the Allen move. I really like Allen, but he's a RFA that is going to get paid and from an asset allocation perspective, whenever the team gets to the point where they'd need an Allen type player, they don't grow on trees, but I think you can add/find that at a better price - eg. draft an Allen type player later. After all, he was the 22nd pick, Clint was 25th, etc. The LeVert for Oladipo swap is what's in question. I don't think there was a scenario where the Rockets were keeping LeVert and I don't mind that. Again, worst place in the NBA to be is the middle. LeVert, like Simmons, helps you stay in the middle. As would any of the other assets they might have gotten instead of LeVert given once the found out about LeVert's diagnosis they would have changed the deal. Although maybe at that point they might have opted to just take LeVert, continue the tank, and then have that asset to trade later... but who knows what will happen with LeVert. In short, I think it's just a culmination of a bunch of events that just kind of are what they are. Toronto KEPT Lowry, who is of absolutely NO USE to them going forward, because the offers were ****. In all, I'm cautiously optimistic about the Rockets future. That of course sounds crazy, but when I say that i mean 5 years out, not next year. I loved the 76ers tank, and thats basically what the Rockets are doing. Would I rather be the Thunder? Probably... though you can definitely argue they should have been trying to suck a lot more. Their playoff run last year was useless, I don't care how much "playoff experience" helps. This year they've been too good honestly... with Shai out now maybe they fall back a bit, or maybe they get lucky in the draft lottery. But I like the Rockets position better than the Magic, or Kings, or Wizards, Cavs, Raptors, Pistons, etc. Pelicans... that's tough.. on paper I love their roster, but it's not working yet for whatever reason. Sorry for the long post. I absolutely get all the disappointment ... I just think we should be prepared to be in it for the long haul.
it's all here: https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed does not look updated for today yet though
Honestly Stone would have been better off holding on to him and letting him walk for nothing in the offseason. He just set the precedent that if you just wait him out he'll cave at the last minute and give you everything for nearly nothing. Don't think the other General Managers will forget. Meanwhile, Javale friggin' McGee pulled two future second round picks and the legendary Isaiah Hartenstein. And Terrence Davis got a 2nd round pick. WTF even is Terrence Davis?
Yes second round picks. I meant to say there are no more swaps with OKC. We owe they two #1 picks (2024/2026). I have seen where they are only 1-4 protected but also 1-10. I would too.
i'm assuming you can trade him to another team for something, say a 2nd rounder, and that team will then not pick up the option and create MORE cap space. That's why you keep him instead of cutting him.
Do y’all really trust Tilman with all these draft picks though? It’s 50/50 at best that he doesn’t screw it up.
Too early to know because we have to see how the Nets pick turns out and if we keep our pick this year..... had we traded Harden to Philadelphia, I don't think we would be as bad as we are so we would be more willing to lose out pick.
I am afraid he will use them to get out of Wall's contract! On the other hand, rookie contracts are cheap compared to the potential play of the draft pick.
There is a fate worse than being bad.... and that is being mediocre, there is no hope when you are perpetually mediocre. I agree with you that a deal for Simmons could have lead the Rockets to being bad, but not bad enough to get top draft picks. To me the Harden trade can work for the Rockets, but they have to commit to rebuilding and being really bad for a couple of years. My concern is that Tilman is going to push the Rockets to be competitive next year, when I believe they should wait another year.
I honestly think what Tillman does is simply pull out his calculator and types in the payment numbers x months to pay and comes up with a conclusion that X player is the better option at this time because he will cost less. This is despite the GM trying to show what market value he could get several months out let alone the impact the player could have on the floor elevating the other players and their value. I hope Iam wrong, but this has been the pattern ever since he took ownership and has, and still will, lead to an aversion for good players wanting to come here. That is why we should value picks in the draft as a much higher commodity.
