The Reason for Trading Steve After Watching The Spurs/Lakers

someone had this in some other thread, it showed other pg stats aganist the lakers and they were mainly good. So we are being fooled. If the right deal comes i say ship steve off.

 

Fisher isn't that poor of a defender...he is usually draped all over his man. Anyways, he is better then Payton i think.

 

http://www.82games.com/0304LAL5.HTM

The Lakers' PG PER is positive. So not too bad.

 

What's just as bad an annoying as Steve haters, are Steve Lovers.

My god, we all applauded his performance in the playoffs series against the Lakers. It was indeed a good performance, BUT I think what people are saying here, is that it is by no means an indication that Steve has "matured" or "elevated" his game. He simply took advantage of a mis match, and Jim Jackson could've done that if Fox were such a lousy defender as La's Pg's.
Cuttino could've done that, if Kobe wasn't around. For christ sake Mo Taylor could've lit up the Lakers if he had played em in the playoffs with the Pf's they used to bring out before Malone.

I mean, yes he had a good performance, we acknowledged it, we applauded it. Let's move on and not lean on it as the "moment where Steve finally proved them wrong". That's just completely biased and ignorant. Even those that stick by steve have said themselves, "he took advantage of a mismatch". Exactly, that is ALL he did. "Elevating" and "maturing" one's game, is doing it against tough opposition, tough defense, doing it when the pressure's on. And the last thing La's PG's provide, is any "pressure" or anything else that I mentioned.

That's like saying Yao's game against Shawn Bradley, was the "Moment he proved them wrong", and if he had faced him in the playoffs, speak of how he "elevated his game in pressure situations". Despite not having seen how he'd fair against better competition and better opponents first.
Do any of you honestly think, Steve would've done as well against the Spurs? I mean in all sincerity, with biased opinions aside? I mean afterall, we all agree, all he did was "take advantage of a mismatch", there would be no backcourt mismatch to take advantage off with San Antonio.
Or how about against Sacramento? Or even Dallas? Would he have taken advantage of a mismatch against those teams? Would he have supposedly "elevated" his game, against such tough gaurd opposition?

Again I shake my head, with how people here hold on to any "good achievement" of the past, no matter how short and momentary it was, to stick on to a player without even giving a second thought to possibly trading him, even if it'd get us a way better player in return. First, it was "well steve was good back when there was no zone defense, and back when he constantly had one on one plays. why are people turning their back on him now?" and "well steve once got us close to the playoffs, back when there was no zone defense"etc etc. That's the mentality our blindly loyal management has, that's why they're always left in the dust of other teams as they improve.
We must focus on the now and the future, not the past to succeed.
If Yao can't give us atleast 20-10 by his third year, then we can't just keep going back on how he lit up the lakers those few times in the regular season. Consistency is the important factor, when consistency is within a player's talents and maturity, then and only then can we truely stick to a player as loyaly as we want. Cause, there would be no "well, he sucks all regular season, BUT played well in two games in the post season against a team that simply were weak in an area and position, Steve played and was able to take advantage of". News flash people, we're not gonna be facing that same Lakers backcourt, every regular season game and EVERY post season game. We cannot blindly stick to a player and defend him against any possible trade just for playing good against ONE freaking team.

Let it go!

Steve will never be one of those clutch players you can always go to with utmost trust. He is a "good" player, not a "great" player.
He averges nearly a triple double every season, yes but, in areas he's not emphatically "great" in. Points per game, around a 20pt career average, Cat can give us 20pts a game if we asked him too with Steve's exact shooting percentage. His assists, around 6.4 or so, not very good considering his turnover average is half that. His rebounds per game, a nice plus, but it is not required for a PG to be hitting the boards. He is a GOOD player, GOOD second option on any team, but not a go-to guy, he's not consistent enough, and just doesn't have the smarts for it, despite 6yrs of time to have gained those smarts. Stop latching yourselves on the constant term "heart"! Heart is nothing if not controlled with intelligence.
Nor Yao is one you'd go-to, he has smarts but lacks desire, and is too inconsistent, the difference is in two seasons, he has been more consistent than Steve has ever been in his 6yrs. I mean let's be honest here. And he has only had 2 seasons, so there is reason to be patient with him. Steve has had 6, see the reasoning in that??

God

 

Another thing. Everyone saw the entire LA-Hou playoff series, that people here bring up for Steve's defense, right?

Well, then, if everyone saw the ENTIRE series, they'd realize that once LA said "hey, our PG defense sucks, and they're taking advantage of it. Let's help on that" and the team including Shaq started defending the perimeter and helping the gaurds out on defense, with Shaq comming out more to stop the pick n roll.
Steve returned to the Steve we are so used to seeing all regular season long.

So, let it go!

 

The rockets goal is to win an nba championship and they believe they could never win one with steve as their pg. Hes just not that good enough and smart enough to be a great player. An all star he can be but a great player, i doubt it. We need an intelligent point guard, one who knows the strengths and weaknesses of his teammates. Lets trade steve. Hes not worth it.

 

The players have changed a lot since Francis' arrival, yet the word "chemistry" is still foreign to the team. The Spurs have the chemistry, proven by this series.

 

i was about to create a thread about this. Beat me to it.

 

I keep hearing that SF3 works very hard on his game in the offseason. What I'm wondering is what aspect of his game does he work on?

Honestly, what part of his game has improved since his rookie season. His FG% is down, his assists are down, his turnovers are up( or about the same)....and as far as his scoring goes, I understand that it won't be as high with Yao here.

And for those that think that moving him to the shooting guard will solve the prblem, your dillusional. I don't see how he'd play the shooting guard position any different from the way he plays PG. Any time the ball comes to him the ball movement will still stop. And he will still be overdribbling trying to break down his man.

The truth of the matter is, not only does SF3 not possess PG skills, he lacks many of the skills needed to play any position ie...shooting off picks, moving withouth the ball, passing, etc....

 

Francis was the only Rocket to play with any sort of sack in the playoffs. After the pathetic fold-job that Yao pulled during the series, I can't believe people aren't calling for him to be traded.

Francis did all he could and his teammates let him down. If ONE other player on the Rockets had stepped up as much as Steve did, tomorrow would probably be Game 1 against the Spurs. But led by the performances of Yao Ming and Jim "Laker" Jackson, Steve's team didn't have a chance.

 

They feel that way the same way a five year old child feels about his favorite blanket. They caress it and love it. And they get angry when anyone says anything bad about their blanket. You know? Like a child.

<- "Don't say anything bad about "My Francis" he's my friend and I like him! If you keep saying bad things about my Francis, I'll tell mommy on you! Waaaaahhhh.....Mom! He said something bad about Francis....wahhhhhhh..."

So you are right. They should "Let it go!"

 

Francis was a no show in game 5 too.

 

And you're not childish for saying the same crap over and over again about Francis in 10 threads a day. How many times can you say you don't like him. "Mom, I don't want to eat my brussel sprouts". You're just as childish and irritating if the Steve defenders are. You guys are the ones who start 15 threads a day to say the samething.

 

As long as the zone is legal Steve Francis will alawys be a marginal star player.

He does not seem to understand the team game.

Trade him...YESTERDAY !!

DD