Do we know specifically why Gordon has requested a trade? If he wants to go to a winner, we are ... not that.
I'm eternally skeptical about argument as such. But I get the different valuation on AG's fit and dormant potential.
I don't think anyone views him that way, they just see a guy who could be had for 2 late firsts and a terrible player like Oladipo and they think he'd be a decent piece to go with Wood, KPJ, and a top 4 pick in the draft. I think it's likely he's better than the tickets would get picking in the late first round, so why not?
I can agree with this. But here is my question: Do the Rockets end up keeping that top 4 pick if they acquire AG? Adding a borderline allstar to just about any team should equate to a few more wins and, in this scenario with the pick being conveyed outside of the top 4, is adding such a player the smart decision? Basically, is it better to acquire AG now or wait until the summer and acquire AG and one of the top 5 guys in the draft? Does anybody not see this as kind of a binary choice given the Rockets situation?
Robert Williams is looking like a beast lately, dude just need to learn some composure and will likely breakout into a mix of Capela and Adebayo, i don't know if he will, but the potential is there. It's just that Orlando is already full of bigs so, i don't know...Celtics would likely trade their 1st and a mix of fillers between Langord, Edwards, Grant Williams...just like the Warriors would offer their 1st and i guess Paschall. As today Gordon isn't worth anything close to Wiseman and the Wolves pick, in my opinion of course.
Use tankathon There’s no sure fire way to get a top 4 pick. I think they stay in bottom 4 because they have such a big hole but worst case they win enough to be 6/7. The odds to keep a pick aren’t that much different.
I can almost tell you what Riley is thinking. Heat went to finals last season with Dragic being a driving force. Dragic then got hurt in the first game of the finals, there about. Laid a dud in the finals until BamBam came back; but it was not quite good enough. Dipo is not a distributor as much as Lowry is. Lowry will set up Butler, Herro, Precious and BamBam nicely.......not Oladipo. Heat are probably willing to give up Duncan Robinson. Others. Others consisting of: Dragic (team option for next season $19.4M) Iggy (team option for next season $15M) Avery Bradley (team option next season $5.9M) Chris Silva (team option for next season $1.8M) Expiring contracts of Haslem and Harkless. They might give up Precious or KZ Okpala (probably not both). I'm guessing Toronto wants a pick or two, Heat looking for 3rd team to complete deal. As is the Heat are $119.9M going into the summer while the 76ers are $117.6M. Both Dipo and Lowry want them to trade for them now. But the Heat team options, as I mentioned before, can clear space for the $25M Dipo wants or the $30M Lowry has been paid, this off-season. Philly doesn't have that luxury. The Heat can get Lowry if they really want him; just don't get the feeling they want Dipo. Me personally, I don't think Dipo/Butler games can coexist well. I think Riley feels that way as well. We shall see what transpires.
He can be a great role player in the right situation, I think. Orlando is not that. I don't think he's a franchise-altering player. He might be overhyped a bit here only because many (myself included) have wanted him for a long time. It's the same effect that happened with Covington. If we trade 2 bad firsts for him then I'm ok with that risk.
I think the Rockets should be in no position to give up draft capital for players hitting free agency. They should be tanking and accumulating as much draft pick as possible. Aaron Gordon doesn't move the needle.
Hornets just lost Ball. They’re in the playoffs. In the east. Lamelo is a gone for the entire rain. Ownerships wants that playoff experience. They might be in the Dipo sweepstakes because they lost one of their top 3 players and won’t make the playoffs without Ball
This . We shouldnt give up any draft capital before we know the Status out our draft pick this year. So basically I’m not trading away any. Draft pick before the season concludes. Now if we don’t get a top 4 pick then go ahead and trade those picks
Gordon's frame is similar to those guys though (although he's more bulked), that's why i wouldn't really see him as a full time 5, think about him more as Lebron then Draymond or Trez for example.
The Rockets and Magic have engaged in serious talks about a potential Aaron Gordon trade, league sources tell Zach Lowe of ESPN. While Lowe isn’t clear on the exact terms that have been discussed, he says it would likely take significant draft compensation from Houston (ie. multiple picks) to land Gordon. Shams Charania of The Athletic published a similar report, writing that the Rockets and Magic have discussed a Gordon trade that would involve two first-round picks. A previous report indicated that Orlando was seeking a first-rounder and a quality young player, so this sounds like a similar ask. Both Lowe and Charania say that no deal is imminent, but that there have been substantive talks. Although Gordon has been the subject of trade rumors for a year or two, this is the first time a deal really feels possible, according to Lowe, who suggests the odds could even be better than 50/50. If the Magic do trade Gordon, it wouldn’t necessary be to Houston. Both Lowe and Charania say that the Timberwolves, Nuggets, and Trail Blazers remain interested, while sources tell Charania and The Athletic’s Jared Weiss that the Celtics are also still eyeing Gordon. A Sunday report on the discussions between the Rockets and Magic suggested that Victor Oladipo could be part of those talks, with the two-time All-Star re-routed to a third team. According to Charania, Houston’s asking price for Oladipo is thought to be a quality first-round pick or a good young player — if the team gets a first-rounder for Oladipo, it could be flipped to Orlando for Gordon. However, some teams around the NBA are wondering if the Rockets will have to settle for second-round compensation for Oladipo, Charania writes. League sources tell The Athletic that the Heat, Knicks, and Pistons have showed some interest in Oladipo. https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2021/03/latest-on-aaron-gordon.html
Trade Wall to Hornets - they need a PG Trade Dipo McLemore Patton for Gordon etc etc Sign Brooks from Vipers Start KPJ Brooks Tate Gordon Wood
Why does he have to be a "franchise altering cornerstone" though? We're not talking about dealing 4 firsts and giving him a max deal here. We're talking about acquiring a talented young player on a fairly reasonable contract who fits well with the few pieces we have in place and would be a good return for the expiring All-Star we're going to lose in a few months anyway. I don't think there's a single poster on this site who thinks Aaron Gordon will be the next James Harden, not even DRock. But Houston's No. 1 goal right now should be getting younger and acquiring young talent. Gordon may never be an All-Star, but if he helps you build up your young core and gives you another quality asset, he's worth acquiring.
I know there isnt a surefire way. You obviously know the odds. Being in the bottom 3 means it is more likely than not that the Rockets pick in the top 4. If they are the 4th it is more likely than not that they convey the pick to OKC. Also to be taken into consideration. The 4th worst team is Orlando (from whom the Rockets would be acquiring a borderline allstar player) so they are likley going to win less than they have already been. Look no further than the Brooklyn game for the type of impact AG can have on his own. Essentially, I believe the Rockets would be increasing the odds of conveying the pick by making this deal. Factor in his impeding free agency after next season and, unfortunately, I am out right now if I'm Houston. Now, after the season maybe in a 3 way where Dipo is signed and traded to NYK and those assets along with picks are moved to Orlando? I am all over that. Agree, sort of. I am pounding the table to package the Rockets mid to late firsts to move up for one of Bouknight, Moody, or Keon Johnson if the Rockets select Mobley or Kuminga with a top pick. KPJ Bouknight/Moody/K. Johnson Tate Mobley/Kuminga Wood
here is how I see Gordon: 1) he is a good complement next to Wood. Adds defense and can create for others. 2) he can be a starting PF on a championship team. 3) if he will sign the extension for the max $22 million per year this summer, that is a reasonable figure going forward. Then you have both your PF and center positions filled for a total of $35 million. 4) he can be flipped at the next deadline for FUTURE first round picks. This is important because it effectively allows us to turn 2021 FRPs into picks farther out. In other words, we won’t have the “driven off the lot” issue. Gordon allows us to play the “then and now” game. We trade him for Oladipo and one of our 2021 1st, then work hard to get him to sign an extension this summer. If he won’t, then we trade him for future first round picks. Another part to this...we can EASILY outbid other teams for Gordon, even with just Oladipo and one of our 2021 1st. Go look at the teams rumored to be in the mix for Gordon and see what they have to offer. Our lowest offer is better than their best offer, which I’m sure is why Stone was interested in Gordon in the first place.
Sounds like the framework of a trade is there. The Rockets are picking destination for Oladipo and the returning asset to offset the outgoing 2FRPs.
