[Reason] When It Comes to Policy, Biden and Trump Aren't That Different

My sense of it is this is maybe half true. There is a certain status quo that power interests believe must be maintained, and Republican/Democrats tend to align there. But there is also pull from their respective constituencies in opposing directions where there are actual substantive policy differences. You rarely see those enacted, in practice, not because the parties don't differ, but because it is difficult to pass through given the various legislative checks that are in place.

 

You ignoring the issues that others and I pointed out is different than they weren't actually pointed out.

1. The stats he uses reflect an increase in unaccompanied minors. They don't address the punitive policy of seperating families of people who were never tried or found guilty of any crime.

2. See the earlier post about spending and how it doesn't address the beneficiaries of the spending which is where there was a huge difference in policy.

You've addressed neither issue but called posts that brought up those substantive problems with article dumb and now claim that nobody is addressing the issues.

 

Sad. But I mistook the gender. I hope not all female journalists are judged based on misleading article and dishonesty.

Care to talk about the facts or continue to pretend that people aren't addressing them.

Perhaps I was wrong to presume we could agree on the beneficiaries of Trump's spending vs. Biden's spending.

One example is that Trump's spending was on govt . Handouts to large corporate farms that were hurt by the tradewar with China started by Trump and ended up with an increase in the trade deficit.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/14/donald-trump-coronavirus-farmer-bailouts-359932



https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-farmers-aid-idUSKBN2741D4

Biden's spending has been for things like pandemic relief. You posted a similarly dishonest article on that topic. And much of that was addressed there.

Since you posted the article and other Clutch fans posted their issues with it, have you posted one more thing of substance? Or have you just called their posts dumb and whined about ad hominem when people reacted against you for posting dishonest articles?

Any substantive posts from you since the original?

 

Lol!

Instead of posting super long op-eds which I'm not even sure whether you fully agree with, I would find it less tedious and more interesting if you posted your own opinion and argued for a position in the OP. Short of that a concise news piece on a controversial topic works too.

 

Biden needs a staff to carry out whatever agenda he wants. I guess it's been 100 days on the mark to drop a complainy Big Gov article.

We just got chewed out by China at Anchorage maybe because they smell weakness and/or maybe they wanted us to pull back from HK/Taiwan positioning. All we can do is talk because Biden and his staffed advisors are still figuring out what the last admin did around the world.

Long and short is that no one wants a king and those websites generally promote a sluggish Constitutionist government angle that they conveniently forget when it's time to preemptively drop an article like this.

At the other end, not enthused with the Biden ass kissing wapo or nyt are flooding channels with.

Obama once boasted Trump couldn't change the government because it was like manually steering an aircraft carrier. Journalists started believing their rhetoric and now believe power can switch at a moments notice.

Bravo, they believe the **** they peddle without an hour's worth of learning American civics.

 

Very similar coronavirus response.

 

Yet another sign of the lack of consistency in thought on the Right. We've been hearing many on the Right including Gov. Abbot that Biden has abandoned Trump policies and "opened the border" and now we have someone else on the Right claim that Biden's immigration policies are basically Trump's policies.

And yes it's misleading. In the very piece itself the author mentions the key difference but glosses over it.

 

now, this is a dumb comment, @Os Trigonum

 

Not sure if serious. They're super different on their approaches to medical experts and advice.

But I'll try to be agreeable first: If you mean the late Trump admin and the early Biden admin are focused on vaccination, I agree with that. That's very true and it's very logical. Fast-tracking vaccine development was a good move from Trump. Even there, the Biden admin doesn't seem obsessed with feuding with GOP governors, for example, where Trump loved fighting with Dem governors over how many vaccines they could get, etc. Any time that person could act the part of mafia boss instead of president, he embraced that with gusto. Sending out confusing, counter-factual messaging on mitigation probably cost hundreds of thousands of lives in the end. It's stunningly sad and I know a huge chunk of our country will never see that it could have been very different. (My county has suffered fewer than 500 deaths out of a population of about 800,000. We're an incredibly high-density city. Took the outbreak seriously and listened to the medical community; if we had the same stats and policies nation-wide, we theoretically would have cut out total death toll by more than half.)

To the OP's opening article, and I fear getting flamed based on this thread so far, but in the things that matter most to me (EPA, Dept. of Ed, Scientific Agency appointments), the two presidents could not be more different so far. But it's way to early to say what the Biden administration's actions will look like. I mean... the guy hasn't even been president two months, so in that sense, I find the article a bit click-baity, and it certainly does provoke responses.

A more interesting convo (to me) would just be comparing party policy platforms and their evolution over the last twenty years. That topic has a lot of meat on the bones to chew on. I would like to compare, for instance, the GOP's platform under candidate Dole to the GOP's platform for Trump 2020, and then do the same for Clinton versus Biden. It seems like one party has become fairly chaotic and personality-centric while the other party has moved to the left.

 

dumb comment!

Spoiler

After 4 years of Trump and the same strategy for many more years in how to attack the left (Cancel Culture, Woke, Political Correctness, Cultural War, Socialism - all are great strategy of attacks from the right, except they don't work much at all against Biden), it's like the Right is trying to figure out how to attack Biden. Is it, he's very different and everything is going to hell? Should it be, he's the same, you b****es. Depends on the day, apparently.

 

Make it easier: when it comes to policy, no 2 presidents in the last 40-50 years are that different. All the presidents performed closer to the forced average than whatever they promised just before being elected.

I think your state institutions have gone rogue, and they're stealing your money in a panicked rush (you are one of the largest and most productive work forces in human history) in order to steal the rest of the world's money. They're telling you they steal everyone else's money to protect you and get you jobs, but it's not doing that. They're telling us that they're here to bring flowers from you guys and protect us, but lol.

Things are happening though, there is a connected and relatable cross-border empathy growing around the world among regular citizens. We're not far from anti-war protests being significantly cross-border and then it will be harder for them to ignore congress and millions of Americans in the street protesting a war (like Iraq for example). Foreigners never knew how your government was milking you, we didn't understand the nuances of how each group in America was isolated/treated and we certainly couldn't differentiate between legitimate citizen grievances and age-old lobbyist narratives.

Turns out they're robbing you blind too and the videos they show you of everyone else in the world are horrifying characterizations of what's happening outside your borders. If I only watched American content about the places I've lived, I never would have believed it could be so far from the truth in this day and age. Time for these hypothetical walls to crumble imo.

Next in line for the empire to devour is Africa (you can see military bases multiplying and terrorist narratives increasing in US-influenced media, which are the standard warning signs) but I don't think they are anticipating how difficult it is going to be for African Americans to accept this new phase no matter the narratives they come up with and other than Asian Americans I can't see other minorities being on board with this. Islamicization of the violence in Africa won't work on African Americans because they have always been more advanced in the understanding of Muslims as well as being more immune to those who play mind games with nationalism.

 

The United States of America’s Constitution is designed literally to avoid drastic change from president to president. That’s kind of the point of a Constitutional Republic.

That being said the idea being pushed here is just utterly stupid and trolling for kicks. Just look at the only major bill that Trump passed vs the first major bill Biden passed. Where did the money flow to? That tells you everything you need to know there. It’s trickle down vs bottom up policy. I like bottom up. America is better when the policy’s benefit the many vs the few elites.

Does anything else really need to be said about this utterly dumb question??

 

Is the promotion of facts and science an area of “policy”?

 

This is a point that is very important to remember. The Constitution divides power and slows down legislation deliberately. It forces compromise and why major changes at the Federal level tend to be more the exception than the rule.

While this certainly is frustrating considering how much of Obama’s agenda was blocked but it also blocked much of Trump’s agenda. Consider how things like funding for the wall, more bans on immigration and repealing the ACA failed in Republican held Congress while many of Trump’s executive actions were stopped in the courts. All of that is because the majority can’t always get their way even when they control both houses of Congress, the Presidency and the courts.

 

That makes it even more disturbing how the GOP is hellbent on trying to stop all of the policies Biden is trying to implement. I didn't realize Trump was a huge fan of voting rights, immigration reform, raising taxes on corporations, expanding services to the poor, treating Russia as an adversary, pushing climate change reform, ensuring LGBTQ protections, raising minimum wage, ...

 

The GOP has decided when in minority to remain largely uncompromising and focus more on opposition than be seen as giving the Democrats any help. Very obvious in the ARP where most Republican voters agree with it and many Republican members of Congress support most of what’s in it.

 

Lol

** pokes into the d&d **

op back after inauguration for more pain

** biden president **



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