Did we get less for james harden than we gave up for Westbrook?

The Westbrook trade is a wash. ... Wall is not an upgrade so that’s a wash. The harden trade is not looking good unless one or two of those picks become franchise changing player or players

 

Stone!!!

 

The strangest thing about the Harden trade is that there is no high probability top pick for this coming draft. Trading picks far into the future is trading for unknowns. There should have been at least a top 4 pick coming in this year from that trade.

 

He's talking about the okc Paul Westbrook trade.

Where we got fleeced.
Gave up more assets for a worse player.

 

Oh ok . Yeah that was not good. Having said that, I still think the harden trade was worse especially if none of those picks don’t become game changers.

 

I never had a problem with the proposed Harden trade I just always assumed LeVert and Allen would be coming here and not Dipo.

Im also really concerned about the value of the Nets pick as you stated. I would be shocked if all 3 just decided to pack up there bags and opt out after next season. If they all decide to sign 3-4 year extensions we're in for some trouble and we'll be praying for Father Time to his these players

 

we had someone that was built like a tank in hardon... and then we traded him for a real full sized tank for the foreseeable future

 

The Westbrook trade was an all time bad catastrophe by a sorry owner. It was obvious when the trade was made how bad it was.

But it's over, no matter how good or bad the Harden trade was, it can't change it. The best we could do was try to mitigate it long term.

 

Worst case scenario the Harden trade ends up being merely bad. Keeping him wasn't an option, and anybody we traded him to was gonna be good.

The Westbrook trade could very well be the worst trade in NBA history that didn't involve a young superstar before they blew up. The only recent example that could rival it is the Celtics Nets trade.

OKC could end up getting multiple top 5 picks while also receiving thr better player in CP3.

 

Thank God Daryl Morey is gone. Worst trade ever.

 

Fertits forced him to do it, straight from his mouth. Morey would not have done it otherwise. Place blame where it's due.

 

To get a top 4 pick, you usually have to trade to terrible teams. Harden wouldn't have wanted to play for Detroit, Orlando, etc. On top of that, any franchise you trade him to immediately gets exponentially better, so that team likely wouldn't have been in the bottom 4.

The only way they could have pulled it off would have been a deal with Golden State or a three-team trade. But top picks in this draft are going to be so hard to come by, it would have taken another star player being flipped.

 

Potentially.

OKC turned CP into Oubre, Rubio, + PHX 20221st. OKC traded then Oubre for Warriors 2021 1st, (the Rubio trade is complicated but it seems he was valued as neutral and didn't cost any assets to get off)

So OKC got a year of CP3 being a baller, taking them to playoffs, teaching up SGA, taking the Rockets to 7 games, then flipped him for 2 1st, expiring, multiple 2nds

They also got Rockets 2024 & 2026 1st, and swap rights in 2021 & 2025, all with light protections.

So will the 4 1st, 2 swaps the Thunder extracted from the CP/WB swap >>> the Rockets 4 1st + 4 swaps from BKN for Harden?

Time will tell, but it looks very plausible right now. Considering the age, talent, the Bucks pick (now 2023), the Nets 2022 1st, will likely be fairly late. Odds are they are not better then the Warriors 2021 1st, Suns 2022 1st. The Nets 2021 & 2023 swaps will likely be entirely useless considering Houston will not be the better team either of those years (nor is Miami/Blazers this year).

That leaves the interesting pieces being the Nets 2024 1st, 2026 1st, 2025 swap, and 2027 swap. Will Houston be better then the Nets in 2025&2027 to make the swaps valuable? Will the Nets be trash in 2024 & 2026 to make their 1st valuable?

It depends on what happens with the Nets once Harden/KD/Irving implode or get old. Whether that package is more valuable than what Houston sent for WB also depends on what happens with the Rocket's owed picks, will they be rendered useless due to our protections? Will KPJ blossom into Kobe next season and save the Rockets from being trash over the next 6 years?

Tune in to find out.

 

I honestly think Rockets thought Harden/Wall combo would work out but it seems there was a complete disconnect between management and Harden. Management simply cannot ignore star player when making player decisions so it is quite puzzling how all this drama unfolded. What is even more puzzling is Rockets gave up Harden and then Lavert and Allen for the far in the future draft picks. If the Rockets cannot land top prospect in the draft then this will simply be terrible transactions and waste talent in Wood. Will not be surprised if even Wood demands a trade. He is here to win now and will surely not stick around for years of rebuilding and experiments.

 

No. Without the bad Westbrook trade, does the Harden trade even happen?

 

Probably comes down to whether we get lucky and keep our pick this year or not.

 

I think of getting a 20 year old star in the making in Porter. That makes it easy. I' wasn't into that willy wonka golden tickets for 2080 from Brooklyn crap like a lot of posters seem to be. I like picks but I like them tomorrow or next year or 2 years from now not 2026.

 

There's a lot of hindsight 20-20 logic being used here.

First of all when he got traded Cp3 just coming off the worst season of his career where he played like garbage pretty much the entire year including playoffs and looked washed. Harden also pushed for the trade and they been feuding so basically its a no choice unless you wanna keep Cp3 over Harden.

So to recap Cp3 played like trash, costs 41M and Harden wanted him gone for WB. Thats why WB's asking price was so high he was a wanted commodity.

Regarding his price WB is also a former MVP and multi allstar just like Harden. Teams who desperately need talent have always paid a premium in the NBA. For example Roco and dumping Ariza cost 2 FRPs, Jrue Holiday cost 2 FRP, 2 swaps+Eric Bledsoe and Russell cost Wiggins and a top 3 protected 2021 Minny FRP. You gotta pay a premium if you wanna improve instantly. Roco also cost the Rockets Capela and a FRP.

I dunno where you got the idea WB cost 2024-2026 picks, that is illegal you cant have 3 straight frps going out in a trade. The actual cost is 2 swaps and 2 picks, pretty much the same as what Jrue Holiday cost the Bucks.

How is 2 swaps and 2 picks somehow more than 4 unprotected picks, 4 unprotected swaps and Dipo? Lol I have no clue. 22M expiring is not "nothing" you realize Kwame Brown got traded for Pau Gasol and Cavs got a 4rth pick for taking on Baron Davis' 22M expiring? Yeah those were bad trades but it still shows you huge expirings have value and not nothing.

Cp3 and Dipo are not the same Cp3 costs 41M and still has a couple years on his deal Dipo is 28, making 22M, wants a 30M deal and is also 5 yrs younger than Cp3.

 

Meanwhile Indiana got Caris LaVert on a very friendly contract for 3 years and a second rounder for an expiring Oladipo who would have never stayed there.