Woj: PJ Tucker frustrated while deals are being explored

PJ Tucker is an absolute scrub, one of the worst players in the NBA, you can't really compare him to LMA or any other quality player.

According to TPA, which granted isn't the end all be all, Tucker is the 4th worst player in the NBA overall and the absolute worst player in the NBA offensively.

He's not owed anything.....and let's face it, him being an outright scrub makes it really hard to move him

 

I'm pretty sure that's not how it's viewed throughout the league. This is a FO issue.

 

I hope you're right, all we need is to find one sucker that thinks PJ Tucker is a quality player and we're set.

He's an aging player who is supposed to be a 3 and D type that plays mediocre at best defense and can't hit 3's anymore. Again, I hope someone sees that and thinks he's a rotation quality player, because he's not.

 

Honestly who care? It’s the same effect, you are acting like he did this locker room breaking move when it wasn’t. He’s sitting out 2 weeks before the deadline which does nothing for his trade value. His teammates have been defending him all year.Oh noes my tanking team is gonna be so hurt I’m not playing anymore, cmon.

 

my intent was to say that i hope he goes against his nature - bc obviously he's a miser who would do anything to save a few bucks...

 

Ugh some ugly parts to this fan base. Sheesh,

 

We have amateurs running the front office. Tad is our most experienced guy, but he seems to be all business to me.

We desperately need to hire an actual voice in this front office. I love the ideas that have been brought up in the past. I'm all for getting JVG as the face of the franchise. The way the front office has been looking these last few months makes me sick.

 

You keep spouting this insane rhetoric... and to every counter point you just say 'doesnt matter...' or 'who cares'

Dude, you wanna talk about people being 'corporate stooges' and such - but you are so entrenched in this whole 'worker - good / business - bad' mindset that you cant even make a fair and honest assessment of the situation...

A contract for example is the epitome of cut n dry expectations... both sides enter into what is hopefully a mutually beneficial endeavor - and both sides should uphold their end of the contract - period - no further discussion... Whether the guy blows out his knee or outperforms the contract - the contract is what it is - period.

Further, you wanna comment on my view as 'typical good ole boy' view... let me clue you... 8 years in Michigan (left when auto industry tanked in 70s), 8 years in Houston (so yes, i speak 'good ol boy' fluently - left when oil industry tanked in the 80s), 8 years in Cali... and now 25+ years in Las Vegas... so dont dismiss me as someone with limited exposure to different views. Additionally 30+ years in retail mgmt - so i've seen the worker/company dynamic up close... Some companies are good and some bad... some workers work hard and some dont...
I try not get political on here, but...
Make no mistake - big business is what has propelled this country. The left claims that the people built the country and expansion... but nobody woulda been out there in the middle of the desert building a railroad if big business wasnt bankrolling it... LBJ wouldnt be getting the paydays he is - were it not for team owners gambling and potentially losing money for decades building the league... Players may make up the league - but they didnt make the league (and the same parallel exists for all those believing that the employee should profit from a companies success... just bc you work at Microsoft - if you werent in that garage with Bill Gates trying to get the company off the ground - you are labor for hire and not deserved of a cut of the cake... Thats not to say that profit sharing isnt a good tool to create vested interest - but it should be something that is mutually beneficial to both the company and employee... imo...)

 

I like to reference the Deron Williams trade from Utah as the master class in effective trade practice. As a GM your job is projections more than it is evaluating current situations. I feel like this is a major learning situation for Stone in realizing that he should have projected better what would happen post Harden trade, and the players left over afterwards needing to be dealt simultaneously if they weren't a player you wouldn't mind buying out potentially.

Once we were exposed as a tanking team with veterans who didn't want to be here, Stone lost a TON of leverage given the time that those veteran players agents would have with that amount of time to figure out buyout scenarios to go to their dream contender.

I liked the idea of a trial run for Dipo as well, but we might have miscalculated that plan as well. I'll probably get heat for saying this but I wouldn't be surprised if Dipo ends up getting bought out as well. Right now Dipo's agent is probably already talking about this Summer's contract offer from a specific team, and getting him there for basically for free is probably what that team is asking Dipo's agent to make happen.

The timeframe between Dec and the trade deadline for veteran players on short term deals gives a ton of leverage to the players and their agents to avoid trades to teams they don't want to play for. I think people just don't realize how little leverage a GM like Stone has with veteran players on a tanking team.

 

Why have a conversation? People should just shut up and listen.

 

Great post! Some on here want to propel the view that guys like PJ 'just want to win' blah blah blah... and the team that holds the contract is evil for expecting guys to honor their contract... in reality PJ wants to go to a winning team - but he also wants his money!

 

Nope, that is what good front offices do. We don't have one of those right now.

 

I wouldn't look too much into PJ this season. I think we move him along with House/BMac and get a very late FRP.

 

I don't know why you assume Tucker has not voiced his opinion to the front office the entire season and just gets told to wait.

This organization seems to have a habit of dragging things out until the player flips out in public and then they react to it. Instead of handling the situation before everything goes public.

I agree the Harden situation was tough, but with the situations like Tuckers he should have been sat a long time ago and traded. We have heard about his displeasure for the whole season.

The organization seems to be really poorly ran, just by the way Silas answers questions like he has no idea what's going on. For example after it was announced Cousins was going to part ways with the org, Silas still thinks Cousins was going to start the next game. And then Tim Macmahon comes out with a hit piece saying Cousins was unhappy about his minutes backing up Christian Wood. Everything is just out of wack.

 

Yeh... the Rox really hosed PJ with that 4/32M contract... never mind that he only made 18M total for the 6 years prior - when he was able to stay in the league... or his very limited skill set... lol...


A look at the calculated cash earnings for P.J. Tucker, including any upcoming years.

YEAR TEAM AWARDS SALARY SIGNING BONUS INCENTIVE TRADE KICKER TOTAL CASH
2006-07 $412,718 - - - $412,718
2012-13 $762,195 - - - $762,195
2013-14 $884,293 - - - $884,293
2014-15 $5,700,000 - - - $5,700,000
2015-16 $5,500,000 - - - $5,500,000
2016-17 $1,527,647 - - - $1,527,647
2016-17 $3,772,353 - - - $3,772,353
2017-18 $7,590,035 - - - $7,590,035
2018-19 $7,969,537 - - - $7,969,537
2019-20* $7,827,224 - - - $7,827,224
2020-21 $7,969,537 - - - $7,969,537
Est. Earnings
(10 seasons) $49,915,539 - - - $49,915,539

 

Apples to oranges but you were probably calling Harden a washed up scrub when he wasn't giving a ****. Tucker is a dog and his value comes in the playoffs.

 

Not a coincidence that he became frustrated right after Harden came to town and he got a chance to visit with him. Harden probably advised him to follow his script in order to get his butt out of there. Being a good teammate doesn't do you any favors.

 

Yep. The squeaky wheel gets the grease.

Although Stone does come across as someone who holds onto his wine well after it's peaked, he could be waiting until the offers suck less (almost always right up against the deadline; and yet so many teams need to separate themselves from the pack now).

 

In the case of PJ Tucker it doesn't matter. Just like it doesn't with Aldridge in San Antonio and Drummond in Cleveland.

The Rockets are not winning anything. Tucker not playing frees up minutes for players like Tate.

It is a win/win situation for the Rockets and Tucker.

Any assessment needs to be taken with the culture and practice of the industry in mind. PJ Tucker isn't an engineer under contract. He is a veteran NBA player that will shortly be a free agent on a terrible team. Usually teams are smart enough to trade or cut back playing time for these types of players, but not the Rockets.

The reason there isn't any real outcry is because Tucker sitting out for two weeks isn't a big deal, and is actually expected around the league.

False, again you are making the mistake of believing that every industry is the same when they really are not. There is a reason AD, CP3, Harden and many others have forced trades... and why players like LMA, Drummond and now Tucker are not playing.

Okay? Who doesn't believe this.... and what the hell does this have to do with PJ Tucker sitting out two weeks.

Big business isn't what propelled this country. Having a strong stable government with laws that encourage taking chances; strong natural resources and an educated population all are the reasons that the USA is what it is. Big businesses come and go. Most successful businesses in the USA did not start off as big business and most will not remain big businesses.

Also, the NBA isn't Ford or Microsoft..... the NBA players ARE the workers AND are the product....... a product that cannot be replaced. They are the top 400 or so people in the world at what they do. Further, the league it's self has pushed to give greater say to the players........ in part because they do not want the players to get together and form their own league.