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Science shows that drug criminalization has very little impact on cannabis use.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by GladiatoRowdy, May 5, 2004.

  1. MR. MEOWGI

    MR. MEOWGI Contributing Member

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    He isn't. He is trying to give you the freedom to make your own moral choices. Personal morality and the law are two different things. He is also trying to show how we are throwing away money, feeding a nasty underground market, and filling up prisons all because of a failed control effort. :(
     
  2. GladiatoRowdy

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    This is a good point, one which was brought up by DaDakota in a much more abrasive fashion once.

    I feel that one of the reasons that drugs remain illegal is because people don't talk about this subject. This subject is as taboo in political circles as you could possibly imagine. I feel that it is my duty to continue to update people (not just people here, but people in general) on the developments in this fight. If I did not bring up this study, where would the majority of the posters see it? I have a feeling that they would not see it at all because it will be ignored by the mainstream press.

    I believe that the war on drugs is the single most expensive, misguided, and counterproductive policy that this country has ever embarked upon. The only reason it stands out in my mind above alcohol prohibition is a result of its longevity.

    Do I sound like a broken record?
    Almost certainly.

    Am I changing minds?
    As evidenced by comments I have read here, yes.

    Will I continue to attempt to educate people regarding the evils of prohibition?
    Without question.

    Have some of those on the other side stopped arguing because of my repetition?
    I doubt it. Especially if they are passionate about the subject (as those on the pro-life side of the abortion debate are), my frequent discussions shouldn't keep them from expressing their opinions.

    If it is annoying to people, please let me know and I will attempt to limit my posts to only the most egregious abuses and the most important developments.

    BTW, the lack of response posts tells me that in many ways, I have done my duty by convincing so many people here that prohibition is wrong that nobody even argues with me any more.
     
  3. Deckard

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    Jeff, my suggestion to andy would be to perhaps add interesting info like this to a thread he already has going. That way, if someone is new to the subject, they can look further back in the thread and find out even more. Just a thought.
     
  4. El_Conquistador

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    andymoon, in the past 30 days, you have started no less than SEVEN threads on the single issue of pot. I just wanted you to know this.
     
  5. Jeff

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    This is really key to me. It isn't necessary to post EVERYTHING on the subject. This is a forum for lots of different topics. Hitting on the key/important one's not only makes more sense in here, but it helps to keep the flow of conversation...uh...flowing. :)

    By the way, I agree with you when it comes to mar1juana. It is moronic that it is illegal. And, I've never touched the stuff in my life.
     
  6. MacBeth

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    I don't speak for andy...BUT...

    I would imagine his response would be something like:

    Yeah. Most agree. And have for a while. And what has changed? So if the status quo isn't going to change itself, and people simply agreeing that, gee, when you think about it, it really should change doesn't in fact lead to any change, is it not possible for andy to conclude that SOMETHING has to be done to stimulate change, and perhaps it's better to err on the side of too much onformation rather than not enough. If only as an iritant, might it not keep the issue more alive in people's minds, which could thereby lead to people actually taking some sort of action beyond house party chit chat.


    Just a theory, though.
     
  7. GladiatoRowdy

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    You really are short on reading comprehension, aren't you t_j? I will not click [here] as you have nothing of substance or intelligence to add on any subject. You exist simply as an irritant, a boil on the buttocks of the BBS. Lately, you have begun to fester and ooze the most vile, disgusting, smelly substance I have ever imagined and I fear that one day you will burst all over this board, infecting all who witness with the stench of a million rotting corpses.

    Thankfully, I will remain in blissful ignorance of it all, save for the occasional echoes of those who are still convinced that responding to you is worth their while.
     
  8. GladiatoRowdy

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    That is an extremely good point.
     
  9. rvolkin

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    I would like to take this a step further. No matter what your political beliefs are on drugs, the fact remains, they are illegal. Any threads encouraging the use of or deminishing the law of such drugs should be immediatly locked. There are kids and adolecsents in this forum and such conversation is inappropriate.

    I beilive the same already goes for file sharing in these forums. No matter how much you are against the fact that sharing files are illegal, they still are. And any posts encouraging the use of such tools to download files illegally are locked.

    Lets be consistant on this one.
     
  10. MacBeth

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  11. MR. MEOWGI

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    Independent thought alarm!!!

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    Hey all you kids out there, I encourage you to question all laws. Please come to your own conclusions.
     
  12. Pipe

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    andymoon has been abundantly and consistently clear that he does not encourage the use of illegal drugs, in fact to the contrary.

    As far as locking any posts that advocate changing the law through (mostly ;) ) civil discourse, do you think the founders of our country would agree with your position?
     
  13. rvolkin

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    Its not the discussion of the legalization that I want to stop, its the responses that inevidably seem to occur in such threads encouraging and glamorizing the use of illegal drugs. I went back a couple pages and quickly pulled these up:

     
  14. rvolkin

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    So, let me get this right ... you are incouraging kids to experiment with drugs. And you have no problem with "advertising" the glamorization of illegal substances to persons who, for the most part, arent old enough to understand the consequenes of their actions?
     
  15. MacBeth

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    The first is sound reasoning, although i would suggest that alchohol is much worse, the latter is, I assume, somewhat tongue in cheek, and if coming from an adult, hardly an indication of the Appocalypse.

    Gandhi said there is no way for a normal person to change an unjust law while obeying it.
     
  16. Deckard

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    BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion...
    Monkeys flinging poo at each other. Politics, Religion, Race and other heated topics you wouldn't fire away on in polite conversation. Not for the weak of heart, but keep it civilized or you'll get the heave.



    If you can't play with the grownup monkeys... then don't play.
     
  17. mc mark

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    Amendment I

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; <b>or abridging the freedom of speech</b>, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

    we still live in America
     
  18. rvolkin

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    Oh no, not the played out liberal free speech card. This board is private in nature and clutchfans has complete control over its content. Which is why they are allowed to lock the threads they want, boot users they want, and register users they want.
     
  19. MR. MEOWGI

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    I am?


    I do?


    You are not fooling anyone. :p
     
  20. GladiatoRowdy

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    I don't need to add anything to this other than quoting it...






    ...On second thought.

    The points that many have made after quite possibly the most chilling post I have ever seen on this BBS are quite valid.

    As MacBeth pointed out so well, there are many things in our history that were once illegal and are now accepted and even prevalent.

    As Pipe piped in ;) , I in no way EVER advocate for people to do drugs. As I have repeatedly stated, drugs are so dangerous that I think it is suicidal as a society to continue to cede control over the most dangerous chemicals in existance to criminal organizations like the Mafia, gangs, or cartels.

    Meowgi made the statement that people should test their limits and explore their world to decide for themselves what is right and wrong. Your response is that of a totalitarian: "We decide what is right and wrong and you MUST listen to us NO MATTER THE INJUSTICE!"

    You claim to have no beef with the discussion of legalization (actually, I would prefer hardcore regulation) and then say you just want to censor the "glamorization" of drugs. Since it is nigh on impossible to have a discussion of drugs without someone chiming in that *gasp* pot is less harmful than alcohol, you would simply paint with as broad a brush as possible, saying "Any threads encouraging the use of or deminishing (sic) the law of such drugs should be immediatly locked."

    If you had paid any attention at all to the drug threads you are decrying, I believe that we can drastically reduce the number of young people who use currently illegal drugs through a combination of open, honest education and regulating sales to adults.

    Think about it, who would you rather have distributing drugs?
    A) The criminal underground that not only will sell to anyone, kids included, but PREFERS to sell the most profitable substances, which are also the most dangerous.
    B) Legitimate, regulated businesses that sell only to adults who have been fully educated as to the effects of the substances and the (substantial) penalties for providing drugs to minors.
     

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