The team that has Steve as first option has much better record than the team that has Brand as first option. Didn't that tell you something? If Steve can ever get rid of his ego, he has potential to be one of the best in the game, sad thing is, he would probaly never have his ego go.
I agree. I share everyone's desire to upgrade at PF, but I don't know why so many people feel we have to have a star at PF. It's the 3 or 2 spot that we need to be our second option on offense.
If we trade with the Raptors for mo pete, rose and their lottery pick I will become a Spurs Fan. Mo Pete Suck, Rose is a Cry Baby and we don't need another young punk kind. If the Bobcatts are willing to take Spoon, that might be ok. What is Happening this summer with FreeAgents? Who is Available Besides T-MaC?
Then you're obviously not a Rocket fan. We don't need fans like you, go ahead and be a fair-weather fan and root for the Spurs.
Because We want to compete for Championship, no just playoff happy only. Given how tough western conference has become this year and the fact that Suns and Nuggets can sinificant upgrade this summer due to their huge cap space: Yao+Star PF +Steve =Real Western Conference Contender Unless Yao or Steve make significant progress next season Yao+Star PF+whoever=Yao+Steve+whoever= First Round Exit
FOr what it's worth, the original trade doesn't quite work, according to RealGM. However, the following version does: Toronto trades: SG Jalen Rose (15.5 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 5.0 apg in 37.9 minutes) PF Donyell Marshall (14.7 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 1.5 apg in 36.5 minutes) SF Morris Peterson (8.3 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 1.4 apg in 26.1 minutes) Toronto receives: PG Steve Francis (16.6 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 6.2 apg in 40.4 minutes) C Kelvin Cato (6.1 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 1.0 apg in 25.3 minutes) Change in team outlook: -15.8 ppg, -4.7 rpg, and -0.7 apg. Houston trades: PG Steve Francis (16.6 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 6.2 apg in 40.4 minutes) C Kelvin Cato (6.1 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 1.0 apg in 25.3 minutes) Houston receives: SG Jalen Rose (15.5 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 5.0 apg in 66 games) PF Donyell Marshall (14.7 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 1.5 apg in 82 games) SF Morris Peterson (8.3 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 1.4 apg in 82 games) Change in team outlook: +15.8 ppg, +4.7 rpg, and +0.7 apg. TRADE ACCEPTED Note the statistical differences. Then remember that we're also getting the 8th pick. Then remember that people have called it a rip-off.
Well, if you are so fond of statistical differences, why did not you substitue Yao in there instead of Francis? We will still be getting 15 + ppg back and it is still a great trade according to your logic.
Yao, in his second year, and at the position with the least depth in the league, is certain to improve significantly. Additionally, he makes a marked difference on the team at both ends. Steve in his 7th year, and at the position with the most depth in the league, is in no way certain to show any improvement. Additionally, while improved, his defense is n no way a difference maker.
Drat! Forgeot: Alos, as their %'s attest, Yao's ppg are at least in part commesurate with his opportunities, whereas few teams would encourage a .400 shooter to take significantly more shots at the current rate.
macbeth, you're such a huge YOF... it's getting on my nerves. j/k hey i have one for ya. i know you wouldn't do it as a Toronto fan. but as a Rockets fan, if you could trade SF for VC, do you do it?
Let's put it this way, .... Of the core players on the Rockets, I would be willing to trade Mo for those three. THAT'S IT! Nothing more.
Among the many battles with more than one name, and one of my faves, btw, although not captured with any accuracy in the film version of Alexander the Great with Richard Burton ( you had to see him in this blond wig)... Can you name the other name by which this battle is remembered? BTW, the tactic started by Phillip at Cheronea, but used most effectively in this battle was an oblique frontal assault, and is among the greatest innovation in military thinking, defining as it does was C Von C called, roughly, the ability of a smaller force to defeat a much larger one by controlling the point of conflict. And, no, I nor the Raps would trade VS for SF.
wow. a fellow alexander historian eh? well there were many many fallacies in that movie. i mean the whole chronology is kind of messed up, but of course you don't expect it to be a documentary. i remember kind of vividly the role confusion of Barsine and Roxanne, as well as the misplacement of the pardon to exiles. Also... as far as Burton's portrayal, sure he captured a kind of wantoness... but not the pothos that defines alexander. but that's just tough... even great actors sometimes can't do these larger than life characters. from what i've seen of Troy... i feel like Brad Pitt is going to have the same problem with Achilles.
Why would the Rockets want VC? VC in spanish translates to injury prone. What would that solve? We need a power forward. If we trade Steve, it better be for a very good power forward that complements Yao's game. (REBOUNDER, shot blocker... 18-10 guy!)
I dunno, VC en espanol is still a buen jugador (sorry if that's wrong, it's been 4 years since i took spanish class). without injuries, VC is a better shooter than francis and bigger. it would be a change of scenery thing... but i certainly don't think having VC instead of Francis would hurt the rockets.
Classical/military historian in general. The issue that bothered me the most, actually, aside from Burton's complete cliff dive into overacting, ( don't get me wrong, the man had as much pure talent as almost any actor I've ever seen, just poor taste and worse judgement) was it's complete overuse of the emotional element as the deciding factor in the battles, and complete dismissal of the strategic and tactical apsects involved. It had to be dumbed down for a movie audience, but to take one of the greatest military minds of history ( granted, buit on his father's genius) and reduce his stunning victories to the war equivalent of simply 'wanting it' more was hard to swallow. I hear they're making a film version of Hannibal's campaign. Am hoping they at least try and show the thinking behind the thrashing. Machismo has rarely been the deciding factor on a battlefield, and as the ROmans showed time and again, can easily be turned into a weakness.
First of Rocket Fan 007-I might be a junior member of this little shin dig, but I have been a rockets fan for years. Go ahead and quiz me punk or are you going to sit behind your computer and throw words at me like a little prick. If you want J-Rose and Mo Pete go ahead be my guest, but I dont want to watch those guys in rockets uniforms. That is being a true rocket fan! You actually think I would be a Spurs Fan-hell no, i was there in 1994 at the end of the regular season we all chanted mvp-for hakeem, when everybody else in the league thought robinson should get it. Yeah you know when he (robinson) poured in 71 the last week of the season against the Clips and everybody thought he was god. He go ahead and quiz me about rocket triva, rockets fan! Last Longhorn taken by the Rockets-Alebert Burdett. Dude I know more then your ass, that is sitting behind your computer all fat and squeezed into your circa-1998 Scottie Pippen Jersey, that more then likely has stains all over it. Yeah-bub, I am a big time fan and I will test my knowlede against yours any day of the week. Bring it big boy! If you think the Rockets are better off shipping Steve to Canada for Jalen Rose, and Mo Pete you know nothing. There is a reason the Pacers got rid of Jalen Rose, ya know ROCKET MAN! I"ll I know is that if Jalen Rose comes here the team goes to ****, overnight and if that is what mgmt. and vun gundy want then I question why baldy is our coach! I am sure he is not going to last long, at least I hope not. So Buddy a few suggestions for you when van gudy wants stevie gone and gets rose, and mo pete in return and soon thereafter gets fired for making the worst decision in rockets history (surpassing not taking R. Lewis and drafting Byrce Drew and Mishard Turckam) Who should are new coach be and here are some suggests bub so you can pawn them off as your own. How about Mario or Scottie B. both assistanst in this league and both are rockets tough. Is Jalen Rockets Tough-HELLL NO! Feel Free to Respond, my new friend!
