Texans trade DeAndre Hopkins to Arizona

The fool doesn’t realize the market dictates the compensation. Geesh, hating is a neurological disease!

 

A season has went by, and all it told me was this was still a sht trade and Texans r incompetent as fk. Any posters still defending this trade needs to get help.

 

Not defending the trade but it wasn’t the needle mover that you think it was. The Texans would have been bad with Hopkins, the Cardinals were average with Hopkins, Watson took the next step without his security blanket...and Cooks gave the Texans what Hopkins would have given them.

If David Johnson averages 4.7 yards a carry again and Blacklock gets his act together the Texans could argue they came out ahead.

 

I don’t mind if he talks trash, just wish he would directly call out the people/ organizations. Would love to see that tweet followed by an @ easterby

 

Watson arguably had his best season. WR is one of the least valuable positions on a team. Hopkins is a difference maker but you don't want to blow your cap over a wide receiver.

That being said are also a dime a dozen so acquiring Johnson is where the trade doesn't make sense

 

Hopkins is better than Cooks and ain’t close dude. And don’t forget the $27 million the Texans are blowing on Randall Cobb. Or the $7 million they blew on Stills. Fuller made $10mill to get popped for PEDS. They had one of the highest paid receiving cores in the NFL. To be bad.

The jury is still out on Blalock, but David Johnson is washed up with no burst.

 

Honestly, him CONTINUOUSLY coming out and posting stats, or sub-tweeting the Texans, prove that maybe the concept of trading him wasn't as bad as originally thought.

I'll never defend getting David Johnson and giving up picks in the deal, but the basic idea that they had to trade him seems to be a pretty good idea IMO.

Despite today's game being more pass heavy than ever, teams aren't winning Super Bowls because of WR's. If they were, Calvin Johnson's team wouldn't have gone 0-16...Lol.

In the 2010's, 15 of the most impressive WR seasons didn't end in 1 single super bowl win...NOT ONE

I got the random list from here:

Spoiler

https://thegruelingtruth.com/football/nfl/top-15-nfl-seasons-by-wide-receivers-in-the-2010s/

15. Larry Fitzgerald (2011)

Fitzgerald is the definition of a consistent wide receiver, but he never posted ridiculous numbers in a single season. His three best seasons arguably came during the 2000s, but Fitzgerald still earned a Second-Team All-Pro selection in 2011. The career Cardinal caught 80 passes for 1,411 yards and eight touchdowns. He also set a career-high with 17.6 yards per reception.

14. Andre Johnson (2012)

Johnson led the NFL in receptions and receiving yards twice during the 2000s, but he still authored three Pro Bowl campaigns during the 2010s. In 2012, Johnson finished fourth in receptions (112) and second in receiving yards (1,598). However, he only reached the end zone four times. Houston went 12-4 during the regular season, and Johnson earned a Second-Team All-Pro selection.

13. Roddy White (2010)

From 2008 to 2011, White made four consecutive Pro Bowls. The career Falcon is often overshadowed by his former teammate, Julio Jones. However, White was one of the best receivers in the late 2000s and early 2010s. During his six-year peak (2007-2012), White tallied 563 receptions, 7,773 yards, and 49 touchdowns.

In 2010, White earned the only First-Team All-Pro selection of his career. He set single-season career-highs with a league-leading 115 receptions and 1,389 yards. White also scored ten touchdowns.

12. Odell Beckham (2015)

Beckham peaked early in his NFL career. The LSU product averaged 108.8 receiving yards per game in his rookie season (2014). However, Beckham only appeared in 12 games, so he didn’t post ridiculous statistics. In his second season, Beckham played in 15 games and made 96 receptions for 1,450 yards and 13 touchdowns. The Associated Press selected Beckham as a Second-Team All-Pro.

11. Wes Welker (2011)

The former undrafted free agent often gets buried in New England history below Julian Edelman and Randy Moss. However, Welker made five Pro Bowls and earned two First-Team All-Pro selections during his six seasons with the Patriots. He also led the NFL in receptions three times, with one instance coming in the 2010s.

In 2011, Welker led the league with 122 receptions. He also tallied 1,569 yards and nine touchdowns on the way to the final All-Pro selection of his career.

10. Dez Bryant (2014)

Bryant peaked from 2012 to 2014, amassing at least 88 receptions, 1,200 yards, and 12 touchdowns in each season. During the final year of that peak, Bryant recorded 88 receptions, 1,320 yards, and a league-leading 16 touchdowns. He also earned the only First-Team All-Pro selection of his career. Bryant immediately suffered the worst season of his career in 2015, and he never fully recovered from several injuries.

9. Jordy Nelson (2014)

Nelson made the only Pro Bowl of his career in 2014. The former second-round pick did produce several noteworthy seasons during the 2010s, but he put together a well-rounded statistical campaign in 2014. The Kansas St. product scored 13 touchdowns and set career-highs with 98 receptions and 1,519 yards. He also earned a Second-Team All-Pro selection.

8. Josh Gordon (2013)

In the second year of his career, Gordon flashed incredible potential. The former Supplemental Draft pick earned a First-Team All-Pro selection after leading the NFL with 1,646 yards. Incredibly, Gordon amassed that many yards in only 14 games, meaning he averaged 117.6 yards per game. The Baylor product also reached the end zone nine times.

7. Demaryius Thomas (2014)

In 2014, Peyton Manning posted his final Pro Bowl season, and Thomas set career-highs with 111 receptions and 1,619 receiving yards. His touchdown production did decrease from 14 to 11 between the 2013 and 2014 seasons, but Thomas generated more than enough output in other areas. The Associated Press selected Thomas as a Second-Team All-Pro for the second year in a row.

6. DeAndre Hopkins (2018)

During the 2010s, Hopkins produced three seasons that all deserved consideration for this spot. However, I chose to side with his 2018 campaign, where Hopkins caught 115 passes for 1,572 yards. Both totals marked career-highs. Hopkins also scored 11 touchdowns, and the Houston Texans won the AFC South with an 11-5 record.

5. Brandon Marshall (2015)

Marshall authored two 1,500-yard seasons during this past decade. In 2012, he earned a First-Team All-Pro selection, but I’d argue he played better in 2015. During his final Pro Bowl campaign, Marshall tallied 109 receptions, 1,502 yards, and a league-leading 14 receiving touchdowns. Marshall earned a Second-Team All-Pro selection and led the New York Jets to a surprising 10-6 record.

4. Julio Jones (2015)

Jones earned the first of two consecutive First-Team All-Pro selections in 2015. He led the NFL with 136 receptions and 1,871 yards. However, Jones falls short of the second and third spots because he only scored eight times. Jones is notorious for piling up huge chunks of yardage, but he’s not a high-volume scorer.

3. Michael Thomas (2019)

This past season, Thomas won the Offensive Player of the Year award by leading the NFL with 149 receptions and 1,725 receiving yards. He also recorded nine touchdowns as the New Orleans Saints won 13 games, despite Drew Brees sitting out for five weeks with an injury. Thomas broke Marvin Harrison’s single-season receptions record.

2. Antonio Brown (2015)

Before jumping off the deep end last year, Brown put together the best five-year stretch in the past decade. In 2015, he led the NFL with 136 receptions. Brown also recorded 1,834 yards and ten touchdowns. The Pittsburgh Steelers went 10-6, but the team lost Brown to an illegal hit by Vontaze Burfict in the Wild Card Round. Pittsburgh defeated Burfict and Cincinnati but lost the following week.

During the decade, Brown led the league in receptions and receiving yards twice and receiving touchdowns once. He also made seven Pro Bowls and earned four First-Team All-Pro selections, more than any other wide receiver during the 2010s.

1. Calvin Johnson (2012)

Megatron built a larger than life one-field presence during his prime. However, he only produced two seasons that garnered attention for a top-five spot on this list. I decided to choose his 2012 campaign, where Johnson set the single-season record with 1,964 receiving yards. He also led the NFL with 122 receptions.

However, Johnson only reached the end zone five times, which made me consider his 2011 campaign. Johnson scored 16 touchdowns in 2011 and led the NFL with 1,681 receiving yards. Either way, Megatron deserves the top spot on this list.

 

sht trade, sht execution. this led to rift between watson and group. Plus u r cherrying picking. No one need the greatest season of WR to reach superbowl (nonsense point), what u do need is a great reliable WR coupled with a great QB to make magic. Why the fk would u handicap your own QB?

 

The past 2 seasons prove how important the WR's are.

The Buccs with Winston didn't make the playoffs, but with Brady they won the Super Bowl.... (And don't tell me about Gronk and Antonio Brown, they looked like shells of their former selves).

My "nonsense point" is the fact that good WR play isn't necessary anymore. Coaches and good QB's are what's putting these offenses in position to succeed. QB's arguably need a good D-Line more than they need All-Star WR's. (see last 10 super bowl winners).

And speaking of "Handicapping your QB", you must be one of those people that thought we shouldn't have signed Tunsil to the long deal, and instead that money should've gone to Hop... that way we could've been just like the Bengals with Higgins, AJ Green, & Tyler Boyd, but no one to protect the QB....

 

"QB's arguably need a good D-Line more than they need All-Star WR's"???

Might behoove you to put the Crack pipe down for awhile.

 

Is he not telling the truth??

 

I don’t have a dog in this fright but I would point out that Mike Evans and Chris Godwin are both very, very good Wrs.

 

Kansas City and Tampa Bay have arguably the two best receiving corps in the league. Kelce/Hill and Evans/Godwin are all elite #1 receivers, and both team's 2nd tier receivers are better than most other team's 2nd tier receivers. Can you name any teams with a better overall receiving group?

 

It depends on how you classify "better". If it's just comparative skills, then I would say that Atlanta, Dallas, and Minnesota all have ELITE #2 WR's on par with KC/Tampa, yet somehow they didn't even make the playoffs.

And for all the people who talk about how important a WR corp is, with Evans/Godwin in 2019 (better season statistically as well), they didn't even make the playoffs....

 

When was the last time we saw a QB will his team to a Super Bowl WITHOUT having a good defense? By good, I don't just mean total yards allowed, I'm talking about a defense that was causing turnovers/sacks/not allowing points.

QB's can't win without that anymore....that's why I say that. Even watching this years game, it's evident Tom Benefited more from that D-Line than he did Chris Godwin....

(Not saying Chris Godwin isn't important, I'm just saying that his defense held the best offense in the league to 9 points.... he could've won that game with Brandin Cooks and Will Fuller...

 

But what about beyond #2? What makes KC/TB so good is they go 4 or 5 deep - the key with having guys like Hill/Kelce is that they make it impossible to guard everyone else, so good #3 and #4 receivers become huge problems for opposing teams.

Sure - you need more than a bunch of good WRs. You certainly also need a QB that doesn't throw 30 interceptions. I don't think anyone is saying you win with *just* good WRs.

The best teams in the NFL are going to be good all over the place - they'll have good QBs, good WRs, good lines, good defense, etc. That's what makes them the best teams. But you can win any number of ways - KC in 2018 was one offsides penalty away from making the Superbowl despite having one of the worst defenses in the league because they just won every game with an insane offense built around skill position talent.

 

Lol some of y’all really can’t handle negative criticism. You would rather hate on Hopkins and Watson for being mean to your team instead of getting angry for WHY. Texans are incompetent. I know you don’t want to hear that but it’s true. Everyone and their mother knows it was a sh*t trade. Everyone outside of Houston has mentioned how portly they are handling Watson. Stop talking about market dictating compensation (look at diggs return) and playing out your contract. Cal/BOB/Easterby are all incompetent idiots. Stop blaming the players all the time it’s ridiculous. But you’ll all be in the stands wondering why your team is sucking..

 

You're making my point, Tyreek Hill AND Travis Kelce were both in KC in 2016 & 2017, then Magically when Patrick Mahomes took over, they started their miraculous run you speak of.

Same thing with Tom Brady in Tampa, Josh Allen in Buffalo, the Ravens with Lamar Jackson. All of these guys teams success hinge almost directly on their play as QB's. WR's just aren't as important.

I agree, all I'm saying in response to the "we shouldn't have ever traded him" was you don't win tying up your salary cap with WR's. When you look at the best receiving corps compared to the list of best QB's, there's a lot more success with good QB play, than there is with just having good WR's. DeAndre Hopkins is an All-World player, the 2nd best WR we've had here, arguably the best, but WR is not the position that puts you over the hump.

We need to be better all over the field, but ultimately this league is about QB play, and the fact that the Texans found great QB play, and couldn't find a way to keep him satisfied is an indictment on all of them.

 

I'm just here waiting for the D hop troll tweet. What could he be doing that is more important