no what was cringeworthy was the harden hate threads after every rockets loss. lol now we suck for real, i hope the next superstar the rockets get is treated better than harden was on this site.
curry's off-ball wouldnt be possible without draymond, and the league knows it. Thats why the refs are told by adam silver to give draymond leeway when it comes to him berating the officials. The league knows how important draymond is to curry, so they let a lot of his antics slide
He has currys dong so far up his keester he can’t even think straight anymore. I’ve seen some delusional player only stans and this this guy is right up there
How did you determine Harden is a 0 off ball? This is the problem with your entire argument... This is all completely arbitrary and you're still ignoring the point of what I said about Draymond... Playmaking isn't just causing a defensive breakdown or breaking down the defense... It's exploiting and taking advantage of the defensive breakdown... It's not ME wanting to credit Draymond... It is indeed the case that this off ball "playmaking" you're crediting to "Curry's playmaking" often times hinges on the ability of another quality playmaker in Draymond Green... Harden solely is a better playmaker than Curry solely absent another playmaker... You're discounting that fact as if it's a given and it defeats the entire premise of your argument. Yes I would agree with the argument that Steph and Draymond on the court combined for an offense is greater playmaking than Harden solely, BUT... Harden is a better playmaker than Curry.
If you don't subscribe to the idea that Harden was the Rockets antichrist responsible for all their ills, you're a cultist.
Harden was and is a cornerstone player. He didn’t win a title in Houston because of bad luck with key injuries and biased NBA refs. He NEVER deserved the hate he got from Houston fans.
Pretty ridiculous notion that I won't even address as my long post even highlighted some of those instances and many here have shown the numerous times Harden was doubled outright up top at a level and frequency Curry hasn't seen in his career. That's pretty irrelevant to the point... He was on the team... Klay and Draymond were drafted... You're talking about playmaking and off ball actions... The surrounding personnel on the team plays a pretty large factor in how the defense reacts to an individual player. No Draymond wouldn't have been THE primary ball handler because he's not as good as Harden there, but he definitely would've been a great secondary playmaker that could exploit those 4v3 opportunities and do a much better job than Clint as a release valve(since he's one of the best ever at it) in those situations where the defense traps Harden or collapses on him after a screen... He'd also be able to ease the load and help run the offense for others including when Harden is resting.
Because, as a Rocket, he's never moved much off-ball (I don't remember his OKC days). Defenses have never had to worry about him off-ball. That's why he's a 0 off-ball. Look at it this way. A successful play (the kind we're talking about), requires defenses to overplay Curry, causing a defensive breakdown. Then it requires Draymond making the correct pass, and finally, it requires the finisher to make the basket. By far, the most important part of the play is the defensive breakdown caused by Curry. How many players can cause these kinds of defensive breakdowns? Very few. How many players can play the Draymond Green offensive role? Many (but they're primarily guards). Basketball is a team game. It's not hard to acquire another ball-handler if that's what you want to do. Harden is no doubt a better one on one player than Curry. And according to your logic, Harden would no longer be the playmaker in that situation. Also, the purpose of our roster construction was to maximize Harden. We wouldn't have targeted a player like Draymond Green who can't shoot. In fact, we tried for years to surround Harden with at least 3 shooters. Do you remember how long Morey wanted Ryan Anderson?
Credit to @Mathloom for finding this. It’s a funny story about Tyrese Halliburton’s experience playing against Kyrie and James.
KD sitting out till after the break. Smart move the next 3 games they SHOULD be able to win without KD. Get him 100% It’s reported they are officially shopping Spencer now.
They literally can win every game without KD. They really just need him for the later rounds of the playoffs.
Defenses make mistakes every single game... some forced and some unforced.... The defensive breakdown in itself isn't playmaking without someone exploiting the defensive breakdown.... Draymond finding a cutter or kicking to the open man is playmaking in tandem with Curry, but it's not solely Curry's playmaking to credit here. Harden solely is a better playmaker than Curry. Harden catching the defense asleep with his big or small ball center behind the defense is a mistake... A defensive breakdown that could be from the defenses eyes being transfixed on Harden.... Harden delivering that lead pass on the money for an easy layup as we've seen him do many times here with Clint and now with Bruce Brown in Brooklyn... That's the playmaking in totality. Harden breaking down the defense off the dribble isn't playmaking by itself... It's Harden collapsing the defense AND kicking it out to the open man. Whether the open man finishes, hits the shot, or misses.... isn't the playmaking. Harden beating his man off the dribble and drawing the big up isn't playmaking by itself... It's Harden then hitting his big guy for the lob. I can go on.... the point is this is Harden's playmaking while the former is Curry and Draymond in combination on an offense. Terrence Jones? Josh Smith? Even Clint... These aren't shooters.... They're all significantly worse than Draymond overall and Smoove would also handle it on occasion.... It's not about the Rockets targeting Draymond Green in the draft since most teams didn't know what he was or could be... It's the fact that Harden didn't have a player like that here and if it was known what he would be, then he obviously would be a player the Rockets would utilize... This is all ultimately irrelevant to the main point though.... Harden is a better playmaker than Curry.
Harden is easily the Nets MVP, and u can base that off of availability alone he doesn’t miss games if he manages to win this game tonight, then it should Embiid-Harden as a 1A-1B type of thing for MVP with Lebron a distant 3rd battling with the likes of Dame
