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[CNN] US carries out air strikes in Syria targeting Iranian backed militia structures

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Os Trigonum, Feb 25, 2021.

  1. astros123

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    Fumny how all the trump turds to use be so happy when Trump used the military but suddenly its so bad now lol.
     
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    I wouldn't read too much into this. This was a very limited response to rocket attacks last week. It also was a message to the Iranians ahead of negotiations that the Biden Administration isn't afraid of force.
     
  3. Dubious

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    ISIS?
    Iran?
    Hezbollah?
    Saudi Arabia?
     
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    It's obvious that this is a tactic to get ahead of the incoming test that the Iranians will throw at Biden in order to get them to the table to get a new Nuclear deal put in place to remove sanctions.

    The way I see it is if the US is carrying out the strike vs the Iranians, it's likely to be more coordinated, and reduce the loss of life. Left to the Iranian militias, and you could have less control over loss of life.

    Where I see the difference here in what the Trump admin did is everything with the Trump admin in Syria, and Iraq almost always did nothing to de-escalate a situation.

    Now if the Biden team is NOT moving mountains to send signals that the Iranians can call it a day now, and there is an avenue to diplomacy, then of course I openly disapprove of this strike. Without coordination from the State Department, and having other foreign governments in place to act as brokers to a large coalition of nations in partnership with the US, this could absolutely escalate the situation further which would be a horrible mistake.

    I've thus far seen no indication that Biden does NOT want to get a better nuclear deal done with Iran. I saw no indication that the Trump admin or any Republican wanted diplomacy with Iran.

    That's a basic fact that we cannot ignore in the discussions of how we are looking at Biden/Obama vs Trump/Bush's Iranian policy.
     
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    Biden must have been playing Grand Theft Auto
     
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  7. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    What do you suggest the USA do (regardless of who is President) when American citizens or troops are in a targeted attack?
     
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  8. Os Trigonum

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    Leave other people's countries alone. How would it feel if Iran had a military base here and US soldiers attack it?
     
  10. Amiga

    Amiga 10 years ago...
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    I would. It's the end of the world as we know it!

    But seriously, Biden admin should provide their legal and moral justification for airstrikes (to coequal branch - Congress), however obvious. That should be a norm.
     
  11. desi tmac91

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    Imperialist scum.
     
  12. Amiga

    Amiga 10 years ago...
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    spoken like a true supporter!
     
  13. desi tmac91

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    Yes, I voted for him but only because the opposition was an even worse crook.
     
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  14. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    That ship has sailed. Unfortunately, we can't go back in time and never be there to begin with.
     
  15. Colt45

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    "Murica being back is just an idea.
     
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  16. Amiga

    Amiga 10 years ago...
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    Imperialism is a common term thrown toward American's government by Iran and others.

    Technically, the attack is physically on Syria's soil but Syria is still a country that is divided with no clear State's power. It's a freaking mess still, so claim of imperialism is weak here, especially when it's in response to attack on your own military personnel.
     
  17. desi tmac91

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    what
     
  18. Amiga

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    So, Congress was briefed prior to the attack. At least we are back to that level of norm.

    Biden ordered airstrike after determining Iran supported rocket attacks (yahoo.com)

    Planning for a potential military response began soon after Feb. 15, when a dozen rockets targeted coalition forces outside Irbil International Airport, killing one non-U.S. contractor and wounding nine more people, including five Americans, according to one of the officials.

    But the president held off on ordering a strike immediately while officials worked to determine who was responsible for the attack, said the officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss internal planning.

    The attacks and retaliatory strike marked the first major military action of the Biden administration. The strike was calculated to signal to Iran that such attacks through proxies in the region would not be tolerated, the officials said, while avoiding escalation into a wider conflict as Biden seeks a diplomatic breakthrough with Tehran on the Iran nuclear deal.

    The “proportionate” military response was conducted along with diplomatic measures, including consulting with coalition partners, the Pentagon said.

    “The operation sends an unambiguous message: President Biden will act to protect American and coalition personnel,” said Pentagon spokesperson John Kirby. “At the same time, we have acted in a deliberate manner that aims to de-escalate the overall situation in both Eastern Syria and Iraq.”

    In the days after the initial Irbil attack on Feb. 15, Iran-backed militia groups also launched rockets against Balad Air Base, which houses American contractors who provide support to Iraq's fleet of U.S.-made F-16 fighter jets, and near the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad. But the Biden administration refrained from attributing the attacks to Iran in public, saying they would support an Iraqi-led investigation.

    Once U.S. officials determined that Iran at least facilitated, if not approved outright, the Irbil attack, the Pentagon presented Biden with a broad range of military options, according to a defense official. Biden chose the “middle” option, limiting the number of targets in order to keep collateral damage and civilian casualties to a minimum.

    The Pentagon briefed congressional leadership before the operation, and briefed members and staff on Friday, according to a spokesperson for the National Security Council. The administration plans to conduct a full classified briefing early next week, and sooner if Congress requests it.

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    Biden made the strategic decision to conduct the strike in Syria, rather than on Iraqi soil, in order to avoid pressure on the Iraqi government, the official said.

     
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  19. Amiga

    Amiga 10 years ago...
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    nothing
     
  20. fchowd0311

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    Can you blame foreigners for calling us imperialistic given the amount of governments overturned, the amount of military bases overseas and the amount of super carriers parked outside of their nations' borders?
     

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