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Why Steve is important to the team and better than Tony

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by acizlan, May 4, 2004.

  1. aelliott

    aelliott Member

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    My concern with Barry was that I believe I heard the Seattle broadcasters (on league pass?) indicating that at some point in mid- or late- last season that Barry wasn't playing point guard very much anymore because he simply wasn't quick enough to do so on defense

    I believe the reason he didn't play as much PG was the fact that he broke his finger and had trouble handling the ball when he came back at the end of the season.

    I wonder what Hakeem's PER would have been during his prime? I imagine it would be even better than Garnett/Duncan simply because the C pool is so much less deep than the PF one.


    I dunno...that's an interesting question. He was playing against better centers than Shaq is currently, but he was also putting up better numbers than Shaq did this season. Additionally, Hakeem was always top 10 in steals, so that would have to really boost his PER rating compared to other centers.
     
  2. tierre_brown

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    So shouldn't TP's +/- be higher? His backup is Jason Hart...
     
  3. sup123

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    arenas is better than steva at point. :eek:
     
  4. sup123

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    opps read it wrong, ignore my post.
     
  5. acizlan

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    thankyou for telling me that, ur reply means whether u r biased or dont have enough IQ.

    i dont think i have to discuss y padgett's # is not important based on this comparsion, coz normal ppl would understand it
     
  6. acizlan

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    my point was just that +/- thing shows why steve is the BEST player in this team and why TP is not a as big factor

    if u watch the game u would know, when steve is on the bench this team collapse, and spurs r still spurs w/ or w/o TP
     
  7. Rocket River

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    Tim duncan is d*mn good

    Rocket River
     
  8. thegary

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    no doubt :)
     
  9. Nautic

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    SF3 and TParker are not in the same league, I mean, tier.
     
  10. Willis25

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    the real question is not "Is SF3 better than Ony Parker?" the REAL question is "why are there TWO BBS threads debating the same issue?"
     
  11. Sherlock

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    Aelliot makes a very important point, when it comes to thinking about trades of Stevie. We shouldn't be thinking of trading him for another point guard, such as Henrich.

    Francis as a PG is easily replaced, but Francis as a player isn't. He's an all-star for a reason, and has "mad" skillz. He brings a lot more to the game than his PG play. That is why we should be looking to trade him for a top level PF, not a PG. In fact, we can use the TE and pick up another player for depth, possibly.

    Then, we can trade either Cato, Mobely. or Taylor for a PG. Losing Griffin, and mismanaging the Thomas/Posey trade have affected our rebuilding huge.
     
  12. aelliott

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    Yes, we know what your point was, the problem is that you sited statistics that don't back up your point. +/- doesn't show who's the best player, it only shows the relative strength of a player vs other players on his team at the same position. So, the statistics show that Steve is better than Mark Jackson. Unless I completely missed it, I don't think that is what you were trying to show. If you want to show who's the better player, then you don't site a team statistic. If you still instist on using the +/- to show which player is better, then you better be prepared to admit that Speedy Claxton is better than Francis because he's got a higher +/- than Steve.

    For individual statistics, you can site a total PER score or the difference in a players PER score vs that of his opponents PER scores. But, based on what you are trying to prove, trust me that you don't want to go there.
     
  13. sup123

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    cause steve brings turnovers of course.
     

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