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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by deb4rockets, Feb 17, 2021.

  1. NewRoxFan

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    Looks like someone is trying to sneak back...

     
  2. NewRoxFan

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    Interesting to look at how the mix of power generation varies from state to state...

     
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    Iowa, South Dakota, North Dakota, Idaho, Minnesota... these places get SLAMMED by winters and the wind turbines just carry on.

    In Iowa, the wind turbines are the biggest energy generators during the winter months.

    Yet idiots like Dan Crenshaw and Greg Abbott pretend that Texas is the only place in the world that has turbines and snow. They push this idea that “renewable energy doesn’t work well in bad weather. Never will.”

    And people soak this crap up like it’s gospel. It boggles my mind.
     
  5. mtbrays

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    Utterly predictable that "hurr durr gubbermint is the problem" local politicians would espouse this in a true moment of crisis. It's so damn sad that their constituents continue to support people who have absolute contempt for them.
     
  6. pgabriel

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    Lot of wind during Mid Western winters
     
  7. Nook

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    Yeah... Ted Cruz is a "local boy that did good" and he is in a conservative state..... but he has really been playing for fire for awhile now and with the changing demographics in Texas coupled with a streak of independence..... Cruz could find himself marginalized or out of office.

    FWIW He doesn't seem to have his heat in it anymore. I would not be shocked to see him find an easy job where he can retire to.
     
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    I hate Ted Cruz. To me, he represents everything that is wrong about politicians.

    Go kiss Trump's ass some more you pathetic excuse for a Texan!
     
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  9. NewRoxFan

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    Another right wingnut defending cruz's jaunt to sunny Cancun...



    Note... I do agree that cruz leaving Texas forever would "be the best thing he could do for the state right now."
     
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    These people just don't get it. It was ridiculous and I think he should resign but the Austin mayor making that dumb video etc. They are fully capable of calling that out as am i. But this it is 180 degrees. Totally ok. It is so tiresome and there are people on this very site that would make the same comments. Point out some differences in the situation and why Cruz doing this simply not the same blah blah blah. You can't fix this I don't think.
     
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  11. Mr. Space City

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    God, guns, and guts will help Texas get through this. Our thoughts and prayers are with them

    *sips pina colada on the beach of a shithole country*
     
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    I just heard our state has been downgraded. You can no longer say "great state of Texas". You have to say "good state of Texas".

    If somebody asks where you live, then you can say "I live in the once great but, now only good, state of Texas". Then, you can add an asterisk and a statement that "We are working to be great again once we fix our electricity problems!".
     
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    Where is Elon Musk in all this, isn't he a Texan?

    @tinman
     
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    She needs to just shut up with her BS.

     
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    The best we can do is refute this false information. I don't get tired of calling out individuals with their stupid takes on social media. That **** spreads like wildfire, so best I can do is combat it with facts.
     
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    WSJ doubles down:

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/texas-spins-into-the-wind-11613605698?mod=hp_opin_pos_1

    Texas Spins Into the Wind
    An electricity grid that relies on renewables also needs nuclear or coal power.

    By The Editorial Board
    Updated Feb. 17, 2021 9:39 pm ET

    While millions of Texans remain without power for a third day, the wind industry and its advocates are spinning a fable that gas, coal and nuclear plants—not their frozen turbines—are to blame. PolitiFact proclaims “Natural gas, not wind turbines, main driver of Texas power shortage.” Climate-change conformity is hard for the media to resist, but we don’t mind. So here are the facts to cut through the spin.

    Texas energy regulators were already warning of rolling blackouts late last week as temperatures in western Texas plunged into the 20s, causing wind turbines to freeze. Natural gas and coal-fired plants ramped up to cover the wind power shortfall as demand for electricity increased with falling temperatures.

    Some readers have questioned our reporting Wednesday ("The Political Making of a Texas Power Outage") that wind’s share of electricity generation in Texas plunged to 8% from 42%. How can that be, they wonder, when the Electric Reliability Council of Texas (Ercot) has reported that it counts on wind to meet only 10% of its winter capacity.

    Ercot’s disclosure is slippery. Start with the term “capacity,” which means potential maximum output. This is different than actual power generation. Texas has a total winter capacity of about 83,000 megawatts (MW) including all power sources. Total power demand and generation, however, at their peak are usually only around 57,000 MW. Regulators build slack into the system.

    Texas has about 30,000 MW of wind capacity, but winds aren’t constant or predictable. Winds this past month have generated between about 600 and 22,500 MW. Regulators don’t count on wind to provide much more than 10% or so of the grid’s total capacity since they can’t command turbines to increase power like they can coal and gas plants.

    Wind turbines at times this month have generated more than half of the Texas power generation, though this is only about a quarter of the system’s power capacity. Last week wind generation plunged as demand surged. Fossil-fuel generation increased and covered the supply gap. Thus between the mornings of Feb. 7 and Feb. 11, wind as a share of the state’s electricity fell to 8% from 42%, according to the Energy Information Administration (EIA).

    Gas-fired plants produced 43,800 MW of power Sunday night and coal plants chipped in 10,800 MW—about two to three times what they usually generate at their peak on any given winter day—after wind power had largely vanished. In other words, gas and coal plants held up in the frosty conditions far better than wind turbines did.

    It wasn’t until temperatures plunged into the single digits early Monday morning that some conventional power plants including nuclear started to have problems, which was the same time that demand surged for heating. Gas plants also ran low on fuel as pipelines froze and more was diverted for heating.

    “It appears that a lot of the generation that has gone offline today has been primarily due to issues on the natural gas system,” Electric Reliability Council of Texas senior director Dan Woodfin said Tuesday. The wind industry and its friends are citing this statement as exoneration. But note he used the word “today.” Most wind power had already dropped offline last week.

    Gas generation fell by about one-third between late Sunday night and Tuesday, but even then was running two to three times higher than usual before the Arctic blast. Gas power nearly made up for the shortfall in wind, though it wasn’t enough to cover surging demand.

    Between 12 a.m. on Feb. 8 and Feb. 16, wind power plunged 93% while coal increased 47% and gas 450%, according to the EIA. Yet the renewable industry and its media mouthpieces are tarring gas, coal and nuclear because they didn’t operate at 100% of their expected potential during the Arctic blast even though wind turbines failed nearly 100%.

    The policy point here is that an electricity grid that depends increasingly on subsidized but unreliable wind and solar needs baseload power to weather surges in demand. Natural gas is crucial but it also isn’t as reliable as nuclear and coal power.

    Politicians and regulators don’t want to admit this because they have been taking nuclear and coal plants offline to please the lords of climate change. But the public pays the price when blackouts occur because climate obeisance has made the grid too fragile. We’ve warned about this for years, and here we are.

    Correction: An earlier edition misstated the total winter power capacity and typical demand and generation in Texas.


     
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    and people get mad at AOC for fighting against this misinformation....
     
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  19. Reeko

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    the sad part is that her blatant lies have almost 7k likes while the truth has just 12 likes

    How many of the people who saw her deceitful, garbage tweet will also see the rebuttal or even care about it? I’m sure if u polled Republicans right now, 90+% of them would believe this crisis was mainly due “green energy” and not oil and gas.
     
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