heypartner-you are correct, teams pick for each other so they can trade their picks next year. NIKEstrad-you are correct, players don't have a salary until they are signed. Will this end the rivalry? [This message has been edited by NYKRule (edited June 25, 2001).]
NIKE, I'll leave it to you to figure out how someone can make a trade by taking on more salary than they give up. First, let's read this from the raw text of the CBA: Article VII, Section 4e Now, there is only one way to interpret that regarding salary hit of a drafted player. You are assuming your Alexander for Cash and consideration prooves that clause wrong. Know if you think your little historical find means drafted players have no salary hit and are impervious to the 15% rule, then yes we do not agree. It seems to me your are just beating your head against the clause above. Maybe you are missing some little fact like Dallas had a trade exception. Oooh, lookie <a href="http://www.dfw.net/~patricia/mavs/mavs-stats/99-00/transactions.html">here</a>a trade on 9/29/99 according to your beloved Patricia Bender: Oh, and isn't that just sweet how the #13 earned $1,099,500 in rookie scale last year. Only $500 from Dallas's trade exception. ...next!
http://www.nbadraft.net/1999.htm (d) Atlanta Hawks traded the draft rights to Jumaine Jones (27th pick overall) to the Philadelphia 76ers in exchange for a future first-round pick. (e) San Antonio Spurs traded the draft rights to Leon Smith (29th pick overall) to the Dallas Mavericks in exchange for the draft rights to Gordan Giricek (40th overall pick) and a future second-round draft pick. How do those work? ------------------ "I think alot of people find Cato's game to be very offensive." -aelliott, comparing the offensive skills of Kelvin Cato and Michael Olowokandi
NIKE, Before throwing me even more history after your Dallas thing proved to be a trade exception, explain the clause I posted. Regarding you further history, the San Antonio trade of a 29th pick at $535K likely works because the 2nd rounder is a Minimum Salary hit. Thus that is so close to fitting within the 15% rule plus $100K (trade buffer), it does not account for you saying the #4 has no Salary hit! Philly either had a trade exceptions, or was under the cap by $350. I'm not going to proove that, so are you really saying now that you are using the Philly trade to refute the CBA clause I quoted. NYKRule, This is not a rivalry. I just do not like the fact NIKE continues to propogate bad CBA to generate off-topic trade speculation in other people's thread. I've been wrong about the CBA as well. But I generally start my own thread to find that out. Besides, you explain the clause of the CBA that is in black and white. [This message has been edited by heypartner (edited June 25, 2001).]
So they will draft Eddie Griffin for us and we will draft Jamal Tinsley and Loren Woods for them? ------------------ President of the Steve Francis, Jamal Crawford,Larry Hughes, and Charles Woodson fan club.
I'm with Bagui99 - Croshere is grossly overpaid. He had a horrible year last year. That is why this Bskball rumor has to be way off-base. Why would we take the cap hit to take his salary, in addition to giving up a middle round pick? Indiana would have to give us a pick or picks to take his salary, the same as I believe we would have to do to dump Cato. Additionally, why would Chicago trade No. 4 for number 13 and 23, when we were offering Vancover No. 13, 18 and 23 for No. 6? The 18 pick would have been of tremendous value to Vancover if it came before June 1st, but they backed out of that deal when we did not get the pick in time. Honestly, to get the No. 4 pick, we would have to give up 13, 18, and 23 to Chicago, plus release the 1st/2nd rounder Chicago gave us from the Drew trade. If we sucker them into taking Cato remaining $36 million albatross of a contract, it would cost more, say the future first rounder Detroit owes us, etc. ------------------
This is still the '00-01 season. Thus teams are indeed wary of trading a '01 pick before it becomes a player, because that effects your ability to trade a '02 pick. HP, Trading a '00-'01 pick will only stop you from trading an '02 pick until tomorrow night's draft is concluded. After the draft ends, the '01 pick is no longer a future pick and you are free to trade the '02 pick. ------------------
gotcha! I realized that this morning what you were saying. I didn't really read it at first. [This message has been edited by heypartner (edited June 26, 2001).]
I'm starting to agree with those who say Croshere is not the answer. We keep hearing his name, but aren't we better off making the deal with the Bulls and drafting Griffin? The point was made earlier that Langhi slides to the end of the bench if we get Croshere. Probably true, and honestly I think Langhi would end up playing more minutes in the long run while Croshere collects his check ala Cato (but not to that extreme). It does sound like the Bulls might send us Griffin, though. I don't really care what they give us as long as they TAKE Cato. TRG ------------------ <A HREF="http://www.TheRocketGuy.com " TARGET=_blank>http://www.TheRocketGuy.com </A> "You try to improve and do better. It's a journey, not just the destination." - Hakeem Olajuwon
NIKE, To set the record straight. I concede that unsigned rookies may be traded with abandon. Afterall, you sign them with Rookie Scale Exceptions. Dallas did not need a trade exception, nor did the others. I have not confirmed this, but since Rookie Scale Exceptions exist...how else can it be? Unsigned Rookies do count as cap space and thus play into Chicago's ability to eat salaries for Indiana...blah, blah, blah. But you did not pose such a salary purging scenario, so I was wrong in suggesting your off-topic trade needed to consider the rookies, as mine did. Can you toss me a bone now? Your trade was off-topic. The Cato-helps-Indiana land Webber is wack not to mention not part of this thread; you don't primarily purge Croshere's salary; and you don't land us a #4.
it's cool. All in the spirit of unlocking the mystery of the CBA. We should have some answers within 24 hours. You're right, I probably should have put that in a new thread. And to go somewhat back to topic, Seattle wants Diop bad, and would take him before us. The Sonic Guy has said this on the Draft Board. Griffin has no true position, as he seriously lacks PF weight especially in the west, and lacks the handles/shot for SF. His character issues would keep Rudy away from him IMO. The chances of Indiana purging Croshere's salary is as likely as us purging Cato's, if not less-Cato IS a center with "potential". Let alone getting a top 20 pick in a deep draft. ------------------ "I think alot of people find Cato's game to be very offensive." -aelliott, comparing the offensive skills of Kelvin Cato and Michael Olowokandi
