The eye test to me shows Gordon is great one-on-one but isn't as much of a help defender as Oladipo is. And defensive rebounds are somewhat a factor of scheme but also Gordon has never seemed to be a person who rebounded at a league-average level on that side of the ball. Oladipo is better there, too. So playmaker, rebounder, younger. I think all those are reasons that he brings additional value. I value your right to your own opinion - but I'm trying to offer cogent reasons why you might change it. These are reasons I think you should change your belief that Oladipo's value is equal to Gordon's value. I doubt that belief would be shared by many GMs in the league.
The only thing he can't do is the assist numbers? No, he can't get rebounds and steals at the same rate either. These are all valuable. I love EGo, even when he was slumping, but he cannot do all of the things that Dipo does. Dipo is the better, more versatile player. I agree that Dipo isn't worth the max, but he can be a building block for a contender. If we could acquire a talent that would make him third option he'd probably be one of the best such in the league.
You've come around on Brown now? Right before the season started you were very bearish on his potential.
He only has averaged about 1.5 to 2 rebounds better than Gordon so I don't see how that moves the needle. My entire issue is the money, I don't dislike him as a player. My biggest revelation about him is that he does not finish strongly at the basket it's mostly floaters and reverse layups.
I was not I just did not think he was a centerpiece player and I still have my doubts. I was never out on Brown even before this year I would have taken Brown over Oladipo. Do you understand the difference and why I think that pair is better?
I agreed with you about the money, even on the very first page. I don't agree with your assertion that Dipo is a lesser Gordon. If you're going to discount every category Dipo performs better in as inconsequential, or just EGo lacking in opportunities, then you're just being overly selective to stand by your point.
Yes, I understand why you think that pair is better. My post is not about that comparison, or Brown vs Dipo, just your evaluation on Brown. A lot of people wanted him in a Harden trade and thought he had all-star potential. You strongly disagreed and preferred the Nets package built around Levert. If you still have doubts about his potential, then fine. But secretly I think you recognize he'll be a multiple time all-star going forward.
With his .520 TS% this year and .536 TS% for his career I still wouldn't mind seeing us trade Oladipo for some draft capital this trade deadline. Mason Jones is just sitting on the bench with a .700+ TS% that isn't sustainable, but still, wouldn't you like to know?!?!?
Jones' time will come. He wasn't sent to the G league, that tells you the front office sees he's good enough to stick with the big club. Even experienced rookies that accomplished tons of accolades internationally like Scola needed time to earn their spot in the rotation.
I never said Dippo is a lesser Gordon, I said Dipo is slightly better and most of that is age. I also did discount every category as inconsequential just the rebounding. Can we at least get what I said correct?
Wtf dude. Now you are making **** up, I have never even talked about those 3 and Brown. You are straight up lying now. You are the one claiming Rockets future is brighter than the Sixers.
Did you notice I said above average player? I still don't know about perennial all star but I will will concede that is possible and perennial is not multiple, so I don't know what your point is. I have no idea why you are gloating about this, i never said he was not a good player and I will take back what I said about him being the 3rd guy but let's see how the season plays out. The conversation was never about his all starr potential so I have no idea why you are focusing on that. I also have no problem admitting I might have underestimated him.
You created this thread a week ago saying he looks like a lesser Gordon in the very first sentence. Are you now saying Dipo is slightly better than Gordon and no longer looks like a lesser version of him? Yes, I could use some clarification because that is conflicting language. If that's true then I'm glad Dipo turned your opinion around already.
We actually don't disagree on this, the way you put it makes sense, I just need to see Oladipo do what Gordon did to Mitchell over a playoff series. I also do believe Oladipo is as valuable as Gordon, it was in response to everybody hoping we signed him to the max and him not being aggressive. I still think he is kind of redundant and would like to use that money on youth and size or draft capitol.
Agree about Jones but he is a PG while Dipo is SG. And Jones is nowhere near the defender that Dipo is. There is no rush to trade or extend Dipo right now anyway. The gloves will come off again when Rockets go on their next losing streak however. Hopefully it never happens but that hope is not realistic.
