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Bush's *War on Terror* targets Castro more than Bin Laden

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Woofer, Apr 29, 2004.

  1. Woofer

    Woofer Member

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    The Bushies sure are pushing hard for that Florida Cuban vote.


    http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...40429/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/terrorism_financing_4


    More Agents Track Castro Than Bin Laden

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    By JOHN SOLOMON, Associated Press Writer

    WASHINGTON - The Treasury Department (news - web sites) agency entrusted with blocking the financial resources of terrorists told Congress that at the end of last year it had just four full-time employees dedicated to investigating Osama bin Laden (news - web sites)'s and Saddam Hussein (news - web sites)'s wealth while nearly two dozen were working on Cuban embargo violations.

    In addition, the Office of Foreign Assets Control said that between 1990 and 2003 it opened just 93 enforcement investigations related to terrorism and collected just $9,425 in fines for terrorism financing violations since 1994.

    In contrast, OFAC opened 10,683 enforcement investigations since 1990 for possible violations of the long-standing economic embargo against Fidel Castro (news - web sites)'s regime, and collected more than $8 million in fines since 1994, mostly from people who sent money to, did business with or traveled to Cuba without permission.
     
  2. basso

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    who was president for most of the '90's?
     
  3. Woofer

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    When did 9/11 happen?

    Oh yeah, George Bush's watch.

    Who was responsible?

    On yeah, the right wingers say anything bad that happened was Clinton's fault...
     
  4. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    When was 9-11 planned? Oh yeah, on Clinton's 8 year watch in which he didn't lift a finger to combat terror, despite attacks at home and abroad against America.
     
  5. bnb

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    Suppose it's possible there are more people trying to circumvent the ill advised embargo on Cuba than there are sending money to Osma?

    How many traffic enforcement officers are there, and what was the total fines from traffic violations? Perhaps Bush puts a bigger priority on speeding than on terrorism?? :confused:

    Calling you out on this one Woof.
     
  6. Woofer

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    I don't think the embargo on Cuba is even important compared to stopping the funding of terrorists. Six times important, no way. Traffic violations are used mainly to provide revenue, and sometimes to increase safety. Try a better analogy. Even drug law enforcement has become a revenue source due to the ability to take away assets.
     
  7. ROXTXIA

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    Who was on vacation for the entire month of August during a summer when terrorist alerts were blaring red?

    Who was chopping wood in Crawford Texas when the memo titled BIN LADEN DETERMINED TO STRIKE AGAINST U.S. came out? (OK, I might be a word off on the title, but I'm close.)

    Who didn't put down the chainsaw and jet straight back to Washington to do something about it?

    Never mind 9/11 has been the greatest pretext to keep our economy militarized for another 50 years and more.
     
  8. Chump

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    there is not a single post in the D&D where you don't lie

    you have good points on some issues man, but your constant lying blinds everyone to any point you might try to make

    I have been reading some very interesting accounts of Western's trips to North Korea, they recount the crazy lies North Korean tour guides tell, you seem like you would be a perfect tour guide to North Korea since you can lie with such ease
     
  9. Woofer

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    And on Clinton's watch we actually caught and prosecuted terrorists. I guess that doesn't count as lifting a finger. Read Against All Enemies - you can use a library if you don't want to spend money .
     
  10. bnb

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    Four staff assigned to Osma and Saddam vs 'nearly' two dozen for Cuba?

    You'd have to know the number of violations you're dealing with to assess if its overkill.

    Sorry...i've been agreeing with a lot of the Bush criticism these last few days.. but this one is a non-issue.

    Unless you want to argue the whole embargo is misguided -- but that's a different issue and quite unrelated the 'terror fight.'
     
  11. bnb

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    Of course, perhaps i misjudged.

    I thought this thread was about the article Woof posted. I failed to recognize it's just the openning volley for the usual discourse.

    Bush's fault
    Oh, yeah -- well Clinton was worse
    was not
    was too
    you're blind
    you're stupid
    na-na-na-na-na

    I'll step aside.

    Carry on.
     
  12. Woofer

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    You are assuming bnb that the number of agents is proportional to the number of cases.
     
  13. bnb

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    Not proportional, but somehow related.

    I'm just not surprised that there'd be a need for nearly twenty additional agents to monitor economic ties with Cuba -- given its proximity to the US.

    Also -- 24 agents equaling $8m revenue, vs. 4 agents generating $9K revenue. Seems the 24 are doing their job.

    I'm not suggesting enough has been done to combat terrorism -- especially in hitting them financially. Remember the allegations of Airline stock trading before Sept 11th???

    Just saying i find this particular example a bit of a stretch.
     
  14. Woofer

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    bnb,
    I would argue revenue is irrelevant in this case versus the importance of the targets. Castro is no threat to us at this point. The clarion call from the Bushies has been 9/11 changed everything.

    They are either hypocrites or liars.
     
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  15. GladiatoRowdy

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    It appears that we have had another I-D-10-T error.

    Clinton did more to combat terrorism than any other president up to that time. He was so focused on terrorism that the GOP controlled congress called him "obsessed" with OBL and terrorism.

    Try again, moron.

    That being said, I agree that this is a non-issue. It is absolutely silly that we continue to embargo Cuba when it has been proven that we can affect more change through open markets and free exchange of ideas, but this is a policy that every president since JFK has inherited and done nothing to change.
     
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