Oladipo and PJ for Herro and Precious EG for Collins(Atl) Walls Herro Tate Collins Woods If we keep this team together we can win a championship
Honestly. . .I had to Good Precious. . . .cause I thought it was a nick name Clutchfans had given someone . . . but no . .. .real name . .. Precious Achiuwa lol .. . . . Rocket River
Absolutely I think we agree it's not worth the price to move Wall, and that moving Wood now may be selling low, so it's probably those 2 leading the way next 2-3 years I genuinely struggle to see anything more than 2nd Rd picks and salary filler coming back for the other 3 I could see a contender adding Boogie for 10 MPG since he's cheap and expiring Then again, his production has been so awful, contenders may not consider his attitude worth his talent any more Maybe a future 2RP or a flier on a dissappointing rookie deal? I heard somebody on 790 mention a rumor that the ask on PJ is 3 F2RPs Hard to imagine a team like DEN wouldn't pony up at least a heavily protected F1RP to have PJ guarding LBJ, LeBron, etc in playoffs If Ariza's corpse can net one of those, PJ has to be worth at least as much Those are the expirings (easy to move) ... I have no idea what the league-wide value on Gordon would be On one hand, you could be adding a major upgrade as 6th man, 3rd combo G that can impact both ends and maybe win you a playoff game if he gets hot (suck it j*zz) On the other hand, you're locking in for 3 years at starter money on an injury-prone, over 30 'shooter' who usually hovers around league avg (35%) from 3 Honestly asking ... As a starting 2guard, is EGo on his current deal the worst value among the 30 starting shooting guards? There are worse players, more expensive, older, more injury prone, more inconsistent, etc ... But is there a worse combination in terms of value currently starting at 2G? Maybe Gary Harris? I'm struggling to find another comp ...
Absolutely zero chance MIA moves Herro, Nunn, Precious or any young rotation players with upside to have Dipo a few months earlier Not when they can sign him in FA and lose nobody this summer Olynik's expiring, Avery Bradley, protected F1RP seems reasonable for the slightly better chance at a ring this season by adding Dipo now Same for ATL I know they just lost Bogdanovic, but it's not like they are lacking for backcourt options to pick up the slack EGo would struggle to see the court in a back court with Trae, Reddish, Huerter, Rondo, Dunn ... and Bogdon will return next year They would have major buyer's remorse in a year or 2 paying Gordon while trying to keep their young core together I also know Collins is not part of the future anymore, but somebody will make a better offer than EGo for him He's a guy I would consider worth a look as a long-term piece Collins + Wood would give us a pair of young, athletic rim runners who can board and shoot from deep Defensively .... well ... young stud bigs with no glaring holes typically don't hit the market coming off rookie contracts PJ is probably our best chance at him, but again, Collins would be an upgrade as starting PF for at least 20 teams Realistically Tony Snell's expiring alone would be doing us a big favor
It couldn’t last forever. Those 4 years were special. I still mostly blame Morey for everything. Once his small ball experiment failed he left town knowing he had traded away all of our assets for the future and the likelihood of Harden leaving. He knew Rockets window had probably closed and jumped ship. He calculated that he would be able to lure harden away with his and MDA’s departure playing a vital role in this. There might have been a glimmer of hope that Harden stays of Morey is still here. But in the end here we are. All good things come to an end. Time to look forward.
It couldn't last forever, but it certainly could have lasted much longer if not for the embarrassing Westbrook trade
Or if Harden did not demand a trade unless the Rockets brought his boy Westbrook here they wouldn't have had to force a trade. Morey's mistake was not trading Harden a year before bringing in Westbrook.
Sad? **** NO!!!! This is exciting, most of us KNEW that the team with Harden as leader was NEVER going anywhere and winning in the regular season is meaningless. Once we traded CP3 it was over...his window shut. I am THRILLED we are churning the roster - to try to get a championship team back. GO ROCKETS !!! DD
Yeah because CP3 has so many rings. That’s funny. The team is just a bad team with or without Harden. With Tillman tightening the purse strings it was time to start over.
CP3 alone can't do it, you are right, but with Harden and CP3 it was a perfect fit for our team, CP3 protected the ball - Harden didn't.....CP3 played great on the ball defense - Harden sort of didn't........CP3 could catch and shoot - great for Harden's passes........We had an elite passer/playmaker on the floor for 48 minutes....and together we had 2 - and both could catch and shoot from 3 on in. It was a PERFECT fit.... 57-3 with Cp3, Capela and Harden.....is hard to beat. DD
CP3 & Harden were both miscast as leading men when both were better suited as second leads The Hall of Fame is full of them It is also full of guys who were dramatically inferior as individual players, but found their way into a situation where team success punched their ticket to titles Some stars are lucky enough to play their entire careers in their proper roles and never get labeled as 'chokers' while piling up rings next to a better player like McHale, Worthy, Pippen, Klay Others are miscast initially and spend the bulk of their careers falling just short of the trophy, then finally win once paired with a better teammate like Clyde, Admiral, Gasol, Kidd, Lowry Then there is a third group who never get the chance to play with a better teammate until past their primes (or ever) and retire without a ring like Dominique, Ewing, Barkley, Mailman, Payton I don't think McHale was better than Malone I don't think Lowry is better than The Glove I know Bird was better than Stockton, just as Kawhi is better than Kemp Thus the difference between a 'loser' and a 'winner' I am pretty confident Tony Parker and Manu would have struggled to consistently even make the playoffs if either were expected to carry teams the way Harden and Paul have been Instead, they were fortunate to spend their entire careers playing with Duncan and for Pop As a result, both have 4 rings that got them into the Hall of Fame If either spent their entire careers leading the Kings or Hornets, I seriously doubt either would have a chance at the Hall Parker had his 1 MVP-caliber season (so did Boston Isiah Thomas), and Manu was clutch off the bench, but I'm not sure either was ever a Top 20 player overall at any point in their careers, much less spending a decade as THE BEST at their respective positions Of the dozen+ listed above, I'm not sure exactly where Harden or Paul slot in, but both spent the better part of a decade as the premier players at their respective positions While his scoring prowess, durability and consistency stack up against anyone to ever play the game, Harden's shortcomings (defensive effort, offcourt leadership, clutch factor) prevented him from leading any of his teams to the mountaintop Conversely, Paul's excellence as a leader, defender, and playmaker were not enough to overcome his myriad injuries and his own penchant to shrink up in the biggest moments Sadly, it appears CP3 will never get a chance to get his unless Booker starts winning MVPs Maybe Harden can get one now that he's playing with Durant again If OKC hadn't been so foolish as to choose paying Ibaka over Harden, maybe the Thunder would have become a dynasty instead of the Warriors We might all be talking about the notorious loser Steph Curry, and how he could never compare to the winner Harden and all his rings
Also ... What if Stern hadn't vetoed that Lakers - Rockets - Pelicans trade?? Maybe CP3 gets a ring or 2 playing next to Kobe? Mamba surpasses Jordan's 6 rings and makes it a legit 3way battle for GOAT with MJ & LeBron Paul's choker label is gone forever just like Elway & Kershaw We definitely do not have the ammo to trade for Harden Instead we get to watch Gasol slowly fade away and miss out on the second greatest Rocket altogether We lose in the 1st round as 8th seed for 9 straight seasons as Morey preserves his precious flexibility in perpetual search for his '3 & Free' muse Perhaps somebody else deals for Harden? Maybe LeBron never goes to MIA and instead orchestrates a deal to bring Harden and Bosh to CLE? Harden dominates just as he has here, but this time as LeBron's sidekick instead of DWade/Kyrie CLE makes 10 straight Finals, winning 5 titles along the way, and Harden is now lauded as the ultimate team player and winner Maybe sophomore Klay is dealt for him instead, and Harden wins 75 (and multiple titles) next to Curry? The debate becomes who is the true alpha, Steph or James Or James wins 4 MVPs and gets all the credit, while Steph settles in as his Klay So many potential variables Multiple legacies radically redefined simply thru circumstance Yet the talent / personality / production of each player remains the same Only perception changes All because of 1 trade that never happened Dems da breaks
